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That’s how cults function. You are never allowed to inspect the product they are pushing or selling to you. Muslim scholars will threaten you for presenting a different point of view. I have had contact with them, and always end up being threatened with eternal torment in Jahannam or worse, LOL! Religion makes you an intellectual loser.
Brandon V: The verse literal y doesn’t say the sun revolves around the earth and the earliest recorded heliocentric thought was in the third century BC. What verse from the Quran explicitly stated the sun revolves around the earth?
Daniel T: Brandon V, who is it that you claim to believe that the Earth orbits around the Sun from the third century BC?
Brandon V: Daniel T, Aristarchus of Samos.
Julio: Brandon V, Surah 36:40 is as clear as possible in quranic poetry.
You need to read it in the original Arabic. The verse does clearly say that the Moon and the Sun follow their particular orbits around the Earth in the Arabian Desert. Mohammad woke up in the morning and saw the Moon going down in the west and the Sun rising in the east, and being an “intelligent” prophet concluded that yes the two celestial bodies went around the Earth but Al ah put them in different orbits so that they never collided with each other, Al ahu Akbar, he shouted twice.
Michael C: Which we know is incorrect, therefore it’s likely most other things written in the Quran are also incorrect.
Julio: Michael C, yes. The Quran starts with a big lie, the very first sentence. “Al ah the most merciful!” Right there, that sentence. You then go on throughout that piece of inflammatory rhetoric and see how cruel
& violent its hero is.
Wendy T: Did you know that outside of your absurd cult, nobody cares?
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Daniel T: Wendy T, clearly you don’t know what the geocentric model is. Julio is mocking religion. And I care what he has to say. Why are you being so mean in a discussion group?
Wendy T: My bad. All I saw was ‘Did you know that the Quran Speaks of’ and I thought it was another preacher. I should have paid attention to who posted, apologies. LOL
Julio: Wendy T, haha, sorry for the confusion. But yes, the verse does clearly say that the Moon and the Sun follow their particular orbits around the Earth in the Arabian Desert. Mohammad woke up in the morning and saw the Moon going down in the west and the Sun rising in the east, and being a wise prophet concluded that yes the two celestial bodies went around the Earth but Al ah put them in different orbits so that they never collided with each other, Al ahu Akbar, he shouted thrice.
Ray G: All faiths and religions have an agenda. Not your fault, it’s only your fault if you believe in any of them.
Daniel T: Stolen from Ptolemy.
Gemma S: Yes... It’s just following the science of that time. Obviously not from any God.
Julio: Gemma, one doesn’t have to read that almanac of lies to know that it is not any holy book written or inspired by any God. It is simple logic that if a God had a message for us he would not need to write a bloody violent book in the seventh century. I can assure us all that we have no problems with Al ah or any other God in the Pantheon, none. We are intelligent students that understand the logic here. Any God that needs to write a book to send us a message is a fabricated idol the size of a dwarf, irrelevant in real matters of life. Only victims of superstition believe in those midget gods. We have, on the contrary, problems with religious 93
fanatics and their constant blasts of threats against the intelligent student.
Djamel A: Julio, are you defending Gemma?...
Julio: Djamel A, are you stupid? I am defending her from your arrogance.
Stop it or you will be blocked.
Gemma S: Djamel A, yes I’ve read the Quran and found many errors of science and errors of morality... And blatant contradictions. Based on these findings, I can easily conclude that it’s not from any God.
Djamel A: Gemma S, first and foremost, there’s one true God! Then if I’ve something that offended you, as Julio is claiming, I do apologise.
Gemma S: Djamel A, you say “First and foremost there’s one true God”?
Do you have any evidence to support such a bold claim? It had better be some strong evidence!
Julio: Gemma S, he has no evidence at all; only religious verborrhea and parroting old slogans and jargon learned in the mosques, like “Al ah gives you oxygen!” These “teachers” want to represent Al ah, while at the same time speaking for Al ah and saying that he is Super and doesn’t need them. Religion kil s brain cel s, turning the victims into small-brain-low-IQ fanatics.
Gemma S: Julio, he will probably come back with a Quran verse and think that’s “evidence” Lol.
Rand Y: Did you know the quran is full of shit?
Djamel A: Rand Y, sincerely, have you read it at least once to judge it, or you’re just letting shit come out of your heart and mouth?
Rand Y: Djamel A, I did. Misogynistic, condones slavery, full of fairy 94
tales. Not a reading for intelligent folk; worst shit ever written.
Djamel A: Rand Y, these are 10 verses out of 6236 verses.
“Speak Kindly” (Qur’an 2:83) “Speak the Truth” (Qur’an 3:17) “Speak Justice” (Qur’an 6:152) “Speak Graciously” (Qur’an 17:23) “Speak Fairly”
(Qur’an 17:28) “Speak Politely” (Qur’an 17:53) “Speak no Lie” (Qur’an 22:30) “Speak Gently” (Qur’an 20:44) “Speak not in Vain” (Qur’an 23:3)
“Speak Straight” (Qur’an 33:70)”
Julio: Djamel A, “...or you’re just letting shit come out of your heart and mouth?...” Djamel, you are becoming rude and coarse, no need for it.
Rand didn’t call you names. Apologise to him right now, or I will block you out of this debate; will wait three minutes.
Julio: Djamel, you must apologise for being rude.
Julio: Djamel, last time I ask you to humbly apologise to Rand, for your foul language and coarse expletives, last warning. Rand did not call you any names or used any foul language on you. He rejects and detests the quran, that’s al , and he has that right. In fact, the quran is a bad book.
Apologise for being rude and coarse, last time I ask you.
Rand Y: Julio, no offense taken. Don’t ban him for that please.
Djamel A: Julio, was I, real y? Tell me how and where, if so, I do apologise!
Julio: I know that the Quran is saturated with absurdities, starting right away from the first words “Al ah the most merciful” a big lie. The Quran starts with Al ah and ends with demons, the Jinns. Go check. It is not my fault that the quran didn’t impress me. If Al ah wrote it, Al ah failed. It is indeed an almanac of lies and absurdities. Al ah was incapable of writing something dignified and attractive. The story is full of ugly tirades, violent epithets, curses, and threats everywhere. Al ah demanded that muslims should admire him for writing that ugly book. Not from me, no 95
admiration here, never. Al ah is only an anthropomorphic beast of the Arabian Desert.
Glenn S: Julio, did you know that 1. There is no evidence any god/s exist, including your malevolent tyrant? 2. There is no evidence any religion is true, including your immoral faith? 3. There is no such thing as a prophet, including the child rapist venerated by Islam? You are free to present evidence to dispute this reality, but when you can’t admit you can’t, and if you choose to ignore this post, you will know that I am entirely correct...
Julio: Glenn S, agree with the three points all the way. I am not a muslim or a christian or anything religious. You can call me a disgruntled solipsist.
Joe G: We know how biological organisms can form over millions of years.
No creator needed. An iPhone? It’s not biological, it’s manufactured, so of course it has a creator. If you don’t know the difference between animate and inanimate objects, perhaps you should learn about that before assuming that you can compare an iPhone to a human body.
Rosaria R: Quran is a copy of the Bible.
Julio: Rosaria R, yes, same tripe, recycle superstition.
Europe T: I would be interested in the verse that clearly states that however it was already known by the ancient Greeks - Aristarchus of Samos - in the 2nd century bce.
Julio: Europe T, in the quran times, nothing was clear in matters of science.
Hygiene was a filthy latrine, water contaminated, salmonel a everywhere, contagious diseases that killed millions, everybody defecated behind trees, food was preserved with salt, superstition was rampant, that world was in darkness. Religions arrived from three basic fears: [1] fear of the dark; [2] fear of death; [3] fear of other humans. It is against scientific advancement to keep pushing and selling Islam or any other religion 96
from the Dark Ages.
Europe T: Julio, you’re not Muslim?
Julio: No; we are commenting about the quran, not about me, good night.
Don A: Yes, I did read the Quran. Did you know that means the Earth is at the center of the Universe; something we now know to be primitive, anthropomorphic, and false? The Quran has a lot of crap in it.
Julio: Don A, yes, you’re right. The verse does clearly say that the Moon and the Sun follow their particular orbits around the Earth in the Arabian Desert. Mohammad woke up in the morning and saw the Moon going down in the west and the Sun rising in the east, and being a wise prophet concluded that yes the two celestial bodies went around the Earth but Al ah put them in different orbits so that they never collided with each other, Al ahu Akbar, he shouted quadruply. Genesis 1:1 talks about the same geocentric system, mind you. Mohammad followed the Old Testament. So did the popes, so did all Christians. It is a disgrace that even the Almighty God didn’t know the system was heliocentric! This, of course, deserves a laugh in disdain, because all religions have this type of stupid absurdities. In the meantime, all muslims defend the quran as a scientific document! Get lost with your ridiculous stupidity. In other words, Mohammad believed it was a flat world, like Jesus did, too. Two ignorant prophets for the price of one, as it were. You don’t need any of them in your life, unless you want your brain cel s constricted with fear and superstitions. You profit nothing from prophets.
Muzi K: I wouldn’t deny it. I mean the gods were extraterrestrials right!
Julio: Muzi K, no, not in the case of Al ah, an anthropomorphic idol from the Arabian Desert. He simply does not exist. It is impossible for Al ah to exist, because muslims stand up to defend and protect him. It is utterly insane to defend a God, especial y Al ah. But let us be absolutely clear: 97
we do not have any problem with Al ah, none whatsoever. Our serious problems are with fanatics playing pious and accusing all the rest of not being like them! All our religious problems stem from this awful situation of religious fanatics pretending that they represent Al ah and speak for him! They don’t; they are thieves and liars.
Ron C: No, but it speaks of beating your wife if she does not obey.
Raj S: If you go with quran all celestial bodies are swimming in space. And the hypocrite turned the swimming into orbit and now saying look in the quran it’s written that each has its own orbit. Islam: just a religion showing it’s based on science by changing Arabic to English word meaning. lol Ilona T: That was the state of knowledge at the time, even the omniscient Al ah didn’t seem to know any better. Proof that the Qur’an is not a divinely inspired book. Which, by the way, also applies to the other so-called Holy Books. They are products of their time, with the knowledge of their time, written by men without any divine inspiration.
Julio: A religion that keeps repeating the same slogans for centuries is a dangerous cult, because it blocks intelligence and blocks the freedom humans have to think for themselves. In Islam the victims are told to believe in flying horses come what may, in the 21st century, a ridiculous story from the Dark Ages when they believed the universe was geocentric, small and filled up with air for angels, buraqs, horses, pigs, elephants and storks to fly across it with messages from Al ah! Now, I have heard the most stupid of all explanations trying to protect the story about Mohammad flying on a horse to Paradise. One antagonist was telling me that it was a quantum horse, not a literal horse! This “quantum horse” was capable of flying across the small geocentric universe from Earth to Paradise in a night. I told this idiot that the “trip” his favorite prophet took was from excessive hashish fumes in the lungs that evening. Obviously the antagonist got angry and resorted to threats, curses, and foul language with expletives against my mother. I observed to him that his offensive 98
language was the result of admiring Al ah.
Glenn B: Your magic book says many things. “You will kill non-Muslims to receive 72 virgins in heaven; Qur’an 9:111 You will kill anyone who leaves Islam; Qur’an 2:217, 4:89 9. You will behead non-Muslims: Qur’an 8:12, 47:4 10. You will kill and be killed for Al’l ah (verse of the sword) Qu’an9:5 11. You will terrorize non-Muslims; Qur’an 8:12, 8:60 12. Steal from non-Muslims; Qur’an chapece & (booty 13. Lie to strengthen Islam; (Taqyya deception) Qur’an 3:26. 9:3, 16:106, 40:28”
Greg B: So does Marvel comics and DC.
Julio: Surah 36:40 describes a geocentric universe, filled with air, for buraqs to fly across with messengers of Al ah. Preposterous, ludicrous, utterly absurd. It is a story from the Dark Ages, unacceptable in the 21st century. They say Al ah wrote the book, but it is apparent that Al ah knew nothing about the real heliocentric system around our sun. It’s sad that people block their own brains to protect a cult from the Dark Ages they don’t need.
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12 – What do you think about Al ah and Satan?
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Jameson Z: They are both abstract concepts illiterate goat herders invented.
Julio: Jameson Z, some atheists will agree with you, I guess.
Ammo A: After years of research, scientists have final y found that the birthplace of God is the birthplace of Satan too.
Jed K: Ammo A, we don’t need scientists to work that one out.
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Bob N: Fiction is still fiction.
Gajapal y N: Fictional characters.
Gabby L: The same thing you think of the Emperor and Darth Vader.
Roni S: Al ah and Iblees both made some scripts in the Quran apparently, but Muhammad rescinded some of the Iblees’s verses.
Michael C: No evidence to suggest either exist, even if they do.
John C: They only exist as notions, ideas, concepts or metaphors. They are abstract, not concrete.
Steven G: I don’t think about them.
Julio: Steven G, yes, better to avoid both, in case they attack you...
Steven G: Julio, they won’t do anything.
John T: Who, Lucifer or Al ah?
Julio: I heard that they are cousins... is it possible?
John T: Julio, I’ve never met either of them.
Julio: John T, makes two of us.
Safeer A: John T, you will soon meet Al ah, but your tongue won’t speak in front of Him because on that day your freewill will be taken.
Julio: In your cult threatening other people with a different opinion about some god is the weapon to use. I will block you out of this debate if you 100
don’t apologise to John, last warning.
John T: Safeer A, fascinating. Since I’m going to be cremated, I won’t have a tongue anyway. I’ll just be a pile of ash and some teeth. So even if I had free wil , I wouldn’t have much to do anyway.
John T: Julio, well thank you; it’s ok, I get threatened with worse every day. This was the first time I’ve been told my tongue won’t work though.
Safeer A: John T, you will be born again just like you became a Human from a sperm. Won’t you understand this small science? If science would have not been there then you would have never agreed that you were a sperm and now you are a human body, sperm is way too small than ash and teeth buddy.
Julio: I don’t respect any religion where admirers resort to threats and insults against people with a different opinion. This guy is misfiring very badly, and insulting or threatening members here is against the rules. He must apologise to you or else.
Don A: Sounds tasty. Can I have some with syrup? Is that anything like bacon and eggs?
Jed K: Neither exists, except only in the weaker and gullible minds of humankind.
Safeer A: Jed K, stronger people only realize the strength of God.
Jed K: Safeer A, delusions of many Gods throughout history have indeed given strength to people. However, they are still delusions no matter what.
Derek M: Safeer A, imaginary entities can’t have or give strength… Or anything else.
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Safeer A: Al ah is Our Creator and Satan is a Rebel who couldn’t digest the Intelligence of Human and his Knowledge.
Julio: Safeer A, Al ah is no creator of anything, since it is only a disgusting idol created in the Dark Ages of the 7th century. That’s how I see your god.
Safeer A: Julio, if Al ah is Idol then show me the picture, you can’t because you have zero knowledge about Islam. Al ah is against idol worship because no one has seen Him
Julio: Safeer A, Al ah is an idol created in the mind of some fanatic in fear of the dark. Have you apologised to John for being rude? I gave you 3 minutes, and the time is up. Do it now, or you will not take part in this conversation, last warning.
Ismail B: Julio, if that’s how you see Al ah, you’re free to do it, but once you’ll die you’ll find out if he exists or if he doesn’t. So prepare for the two options.
Dimitri K: Safeer A, if Satan is a rebel then he must believe rebellion against God’s will is possible. Even though Islam teaches that nothing happens outside of God’s wil . So Satan is either irrational or ignorant.
Safeer A: In simple words, Al ah is Believers’ Friend; Satan is disbelievers’
friend.
Jed K: Safeer A, neither exist.
Shary M: Satan is the best friend of atheists.
Dennis N: Shary M, yes he is, we converse regularly, decent guy, likes beer and devil’s food cake.
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Dennis N: Atheism is deliberately created by some satanic minded people in order to inaugurate a great liar namely Dajal coz he will be according to the logic of atheists and provide them all types of evidence which they will be unable to deny ,with the help of Satan.
Shary M: Atheists do not believe in Devils or other imaginary Sky Spooks and (so-called) Demons of the nether regions.
Shary M: Jed K, yes I know this atheistic approach. That’s why atheism is created for some specific purpose I mentioned above.
Jed K: Shary M, atheism is a position one holds, atheism is not created, it just happens when one realises that Gods and religions are man-made viruses of the mind.
Julio: Look at this reply by Ismail B, “Julio if that’s how you see Al ah, you’re free to do it, but once you’ll die you’ll find out if he exists or if he doesn’t. So prepare for the two options.” This reply by Ismail is clear proof that Al ah is real, is it not? Al ah told Ismail to tell me to prepare for two options! Therefore, if Al ah told Ismail to tell me to prepare for two options, it follows that Al ah exists, haha! We don’t need any other proof.
Al ah exists, because he spoke to Ismail!
Julio: Robert G, they are two cousins, I heard. Apparently, very indisposed with each other, and trying to disrupt their main programs. One wants all souls in hel , the other in heaven. Can you guess which one is the worst?
Robert G: Julio, well I hate to disagree with your cousin, but I personal y do not see the dualistic model as helpful, plus my work’s fine without any belief in the idea of a soul.
Em D: Manipulative ideology to control human groups and maintain power of patriarchy.
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Ilona T: Mythological fictional beings such as dragons, fairies, vampires, mermaids, pink unicorns and the like.
Molnár R: Myth. I think even if they weren’t fiction I would still not follow either of them.
Ron C: Both make believe to control the innocent and foolish.
Bradleecross R: They are just characters in a biblical fable!
Angelo B: All gods are born in the fertile minds of the supernatural, magic belief of mankind.
Oke C: Al ah and Satan are the same figure.
Laila J: Well Al ah means god. Being atheist since birth I give it about as much thought as I give any other God. In fact, he is the Jewish god. But they made a mistake when calling him Al ah. Big debates in the Muslim Community/Islamic communities I should say about Al ah being a mistake name because this God of theirs is the Jewish god it’s not some new God, and there are currently big debates and discussions about calling this God Al ah. So of course I think that’s fun and hilarious. You know it’s the stupid little things in life that thrill me, lol. But what I think about Satan, if I ever do think about Satan, their other God, is not much, except that he comes from the Zoroastrian religion and practice. You know “the overseer of Darkness and Evil”, who is much more lightweight in their story. The Christians stole Satan, Heaven and Hell from the Zoroastrians, rewrote it all to sound much worse, so they could more easily control people with fear. So, you know, I think it’s funny to reference Satan every now and then around my friends because they know I’m atheist and it makes them laugh. But other than that I don’t real y spend any time thinking per se about it. It’s just you know something to joke about of course. Other than debating about these topics non-stop, I think in my normal regular life out there, I think about Satan and Al ah about as 104
much as I think about Batman and Superman.
Gemma S: Al ah has two right hands and doesn’t mind if men beat their wives. Satan is more powerful than God or God isn’t all loving, because an “all-loving” God would have eliminated him.
Derek M: Gemma S, God definitely seems like the evil one in the Bible stories.
Gemma S: Derek M, yes, the evil tyrant!
Shary M: Gemma S, where did u read “God is all loving?” or God’s love is unconditional? You need education coz all ur objections are based upon fancy. Thank you Gemma.
Gemma S: Shary M, you’re welcome. Allow me to educate you about your own religion. One of Al ah’s 99 names is Al-Wadud The Most Loving.
The most means no one can love more than Al ah (according to Muhammad and his 7th century friends). Yet, based on his behaviour, I can love more than Al ah. For starters I’d not allow men to rape their female prisoners and keep them as sex slaves. But Al ah is ok with this in verse 4:24. And I’d definitely have eliminated child cancer and parasitic worms that burrow into babies eyes and make them blind.
Shary M: Gemma S, thanks for guiding me in my religion. If a person commits a crime he should be punished or not?
Gemma S: Shary M, you mean like when Muhammad raped Aisha? Or when he beheaded 600 Jews? Or when he burnt out the eyes of some arabs and left them in the desert to suffer and die? Yes he should be severely punished, the evil man!
Shary M: Gemma S, first your majesty missed my point “al ” loving.
Secondly, criminal-lovers should examine the crimes of criminals instead 105
of pushing them back. Your point shows u have great love for criminals.
Thirdly there is no space for rape in Islam. Fourthly Islam doesn’t believe in incest as atheists do.
Julio: Gemma S, you’re a star! The guy started misfiring immediately. In Islam, the victims are so severely brainwashed that they will defend crime if it was perpetrated by their favorite prophet. And Shary lied to you.
There is rape, disrespect for women, and violation of their human rights in Islam - daily practised across the Middle East. It is barbaric, criminal, and evil. Islam is a criminal cult of men with no morals, some say.
Gemma S: Shary M, allow me to educate you about your own religion and child marriage. Verse 65 4 is about the waiting period for a female before she can remarry after being divorced. Muhammad said the waiting period is 3 monthly menstruation cycles. He was asked about the waiting period for young girls who don’t have menses because they are too young.
He said their waiting period is also 3 months. Allow me to also educate you about the allowed rape in Islam, and the meaning of verse 4:24, using the tafsir of the most respected Islamic scholar ibn kathir. Abu Saìd Al-Khudri said, “We captured some women from the area of Awtas who were already married, and we disliked having sexual relations with them because they already had husbands. So, we asked the Prophet about this matter, and this Ayah was revealed. (Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess). Consequently, we had sexual relations with these women.’’ If you’re feeling hungry for more knowledge about your own religion, don’t be scared, just ask.
Julio: Shary M, you are not showing respect to Gemma. Don’t misfire, or you will be blocked, you insolent muslim. She didn’t “pick & choose”, she was in the context of what is debated here. You as a muslim do that, like all muslims do, by picking and choosing all the time, and quoting verses out of context, ad hoc, with the intention to disrupt the debate. I warn you not to do that, if you want to be part of this conversation.
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Shary M: Julio, don’t be so hyper. All are respectable for me. You’re trying to polish her shoes unsuccessful y. Why do atheists like you can’t tolerate others? Your threat to block me shows you’re a coward on the one hand, while with a shoe polishing policy on the other hand. How can u debate others when u have no sense? Do u believe in incest?
Julio: Shary M, what is incest? You misfired again and didn’t show respect.
Do you want to be blocked...?
Shary M: Julio, you need wisdom more than books.
Julio: Shary M, I’m a very wise and intelligent person; my IQ was 139 in my 20s, but now it is higher. I’m also humble and proud of it. Gemma is also very intelligent, much more than you, because she doesn’t believe in flying horses like you do.
Gemma S: Julio, please don’t block him.
Julio: Gemma S, okay, but he was misfiring and being rude to you. Already told him that you are much more intelligent than him, because you don’t believe in flying horses; he does, haha!
Gemma S: Shary M, please tell me, which tafsir have I cherry picked? Or what part have I cherry picked? I have quoted the full tafsir. Which part do you disagree with, and why?
Shary M, Gemma S, have u read tafsir of that verse?
Gemma S: Shary M, if Laurence Krauss likes incest, what does that have to do with me or any atheists? Unlike you, we don’t follow a set of primitive rules. The only thing atheists have in common is not accepting the existence of a God through lack of evidence. Any other behaviours aren’t common with all atheists. Surely you can’t be that dumb?
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Timothy M: Julio, about your question, same thing I think about tooth fairy & unicorn.
Sal M: Al ah and Satan are unbelievably funny, supposedly rival characters in a fictional blood-lust death-cult handbook for nutters.
Gemma S: One is an evil monster, and the other is just Satan.
Glenn S: Julio, I think there is no reason to believe either exist. I also think that the Bible stories show Satan as the good guy.
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13 – Why is Al ah sending the flood to Pakistan?
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Jameson Z: Because he doesn’t care about the suffering of Muslims. It’s his mysterious ways of doing things.
Julio: Jameson Z, it’s better to stop calling that god from the Dark Ages a good god.
Daniel T: Jameson Z, in other words he’s a narcissistic psychopathic sadist who treats the worst people who worship him the most?
Kevin C: Because somebody masturbated.
Julio: And why is Pakistan asking the International Community for help, while Al ah looks? What has Al ah done for Pakistan in the last 200 years?
Isn’t Pakistan shouting al ahuakbar millions of times a second, calling Al ah the most merciful and the best almighty, while the Pakistanis suffer horrors? Please tell me what good is in shouting al hauabkar, and singing allah’s book?
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Matfog M: Julio, the problem of evil most of the time confuses the people.
But let me Answer. According to Islam, this life is a test; if all the things were perfect then it was no more a test. For example the MCQS paper has wrong and right options; if there was only the right options then it was no more a test. The 2nd reason is to remind people about the blessings. For example the Earth doesn’t shake such that it destroys our homes so it is norm, therefore we don’t consider it a blessing of God. But when it starts shacking then we know the blessings of God that he made Earth suitable.
Similarly, you don’t know the value of your eyes but when you see the blind, then it reminds you the importance of your eyes and blessings of God. So this life is a test; sometime God will test you by giving and sometime by taking.
Daniel T: Julio the question is what did Norman Borlaug do for Pakistan?
That’s a question worth answering.
Julio: Daniel T, Muslims will say that Norman Borlaug was nothing without Al ah. Cynical y, they will not praise the scientist that improved their lives with agriculture modernization without calling Al ah the source of the scientist’s work. Islam impoverished their ability to understand simple matters - Islam is a serious mental disease in that crowd.
Bob Bosch: If Al ah is real, he certainly hates Muslims.
Julio: Bob Bosch, that’s what I was going to say. Surely, looking back the last 200 years across the Middle East the intelligent student does not see anything worthy of admiration by this idol of the deserts.
Daniel T: Bob B, if Al ah is real, he is a weak ass god who gets offended by everything and needs humans to kill his enemies.
John I: Bob B, nah, it was that bloody Lutheran God.
Julio: And then you have the Pakistan people crying to the International 109
Community for help, while shouting Al ah is great! What’s the problem here?...
Jason A: No one is sending a natural disaster anywhere. That’s why it is called a natural disaster.
Julio: Jason A, okay, do you mean Al ah cannot interfere and save Pakistan? Why do muslim countries always ask the IC to help, instead of asking Al ah, their favorite god?
Jason A: Julio, mass delusion propagated over nearly 2000 years.
Julio: Jason A, was going to say the same! How can this phenomenon be reversed?
Jason A: Julio, mass education, widespread access to information, and grinding away at misinformation and ignorance.
Julio: Jason A, I could say the same. It is sad to see so much ignorance across the Middle East of masses in fear of an idol from the Dark Ages.
Could practical atheism help those victims, do you think?
Jason A: Julio, I think the word “atheism” has been a word made to instill fear, distrust, and contempt in Muslim communities as well as all other areas of religious faith. Practicality has also been an enemy of the faith, so I’m not sure applying those labels to the practice would do any good.
When it comes to revelations regarding my own lifestyle, I have seen that the best results are borne of actions and not words.
Roni S: What’s your beef with Pakistan?
Julio: Must I delete the post?
Roni S: Sohail K, to be clear I agree with the fact that prayers do nothing 110
to ward off things like storms, etc, I just do not like people mentioning a tragedy and being nonchalant about it, it’s a serious and tragic thing that happened.
Julio: Roni S, Ok, thanks for putting me at rest that it is not your intention to ban or block me for the post; appreciated. I hesitated to answer your question for the word “beef” you used - looked like a threatening word. I have a long experience of being banned by mods & admins, so I tend to avoid them.
Roni S: Julio, ok so I am speaking American slang, there is a disconnect here.
Judas S: Sohail K, why is Al ah flooding Pakistan?
Vinoth K: Sohail K, don’t divert the topic. If al ah loves muslims, then why are Pakistan people suffering right now? Please don’t say god is testing them, that’s chickening.
Safeer A: There could be two possibilities, those innocent who are afflicted are going through a test, and those culprits who are afflicted are going through a punishment.
Sohail K: Why are you blaming Al ah for the floods? How do you know this is Al ah’s will?
Julio: Sohail K, well if not from Al ah, then from Satan his number one enemy. Your explanations reflect a sickening fatalism and a low-IQ.
Sohail K: Julio, again the same question: how do you know it is from Satan? All you want is to mock Al ah. Yeah, doing a great job, you. You are mocking the God believed by billions of people all around the world.
Keep going.
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Oke C: Sohail K, but you believe all is Al ah’s will!
Lena S: Al ah is dead, he was killed by Odin and his carcass turned into a footstool.
Matfog M: Lena S, the problem of evil most of time confuses people. But let me Answer. According to Islam this life is test...
Lena S: Matfog M, wow, sounds like utter Bul shit.
Matfog M: Lena S, throwing judgements, arrogance, or abusing insulting is no evidence, no rebuttal from your side.
Lena S: Matfog M, you have no evidence of anything in your statement, no evidence of any god.
Sohail K: How much have you helped Pakistani’s if you have so much sympathy with Pakistan and you are so much concerned.
Julio: Matfog, you are exceeding your limits and my patience! You have posted that mantra about life being a test many times! Stop it or I will block you, no more warnings, do you understand?! As for helping Pakistan, I am a history student, not a philanthropic organization; what about you?! You are getting on my nerves very badly; one more misfiring and you will be gone!
Vinoth K: Sohail, if your god is powerful, why are Pakistan people suffering? Your god is not stopping the flood, why?
Matfog M: Vinoth K, the problem of evil most of time confuses people.
But let me Answer. According to Islam this life is a test ...
Julio: Matfog, you abuse your privilege of posting here; you have repeated that sick mantra ten times; no more! I am blocking you for insubordination 112
and disrespect! You’re a pest, not a debater, goodnight!
Maggie C: Al ah thinks the Pakistanis are dehydrated. He wants to make sure they have something to drink.
Eric C: Al ah makes floods when not too busy.
Safeer A: Nobody can Insult Al ah by creativity because no eye has seen Him Alhumdulil ah. All praises to the most intelligent, he knows insane humanity could disrespect if they see His Image. Proud to be a Muslim who has only One God. If we need more gods then what’s the point of being God, nobody can tell Him what to do because He only does Everything with all Authority without partners and that’s Al ah Rabbul Aalameen. Nobody has the Power to behead Him and replace it with any creation’s head. If He can be beheaded then how can that be God in the first place? No creation can even think of destroying The Creator of the entire universe because even that negative energy is His own creation who rebelled after seeing Human being - the Best of creations by Al ah Azzawajal. Islam will take over Christianity not because of population but because many of those who come to true faith are from youngsters who realise that God has no Image, He is the only Provider, He doesn’t need Father to create Him or Children to Inherit Him because He is Immortal and will Never get Tired to Rule Forever and the best thing is Al ah can’t be compared with any of His creations.
Julio: Safeer, and Al ah has you to speak for him, because all that you just said he asked you to tell us, you are sick, get lost! No Al ah ever asked you a bloody thing; the problem is in your head: millions of brain cel s killed by religion. Don’t post here again. Nobody needs your stories in bad English, go away, you are crazy!
Safeer A: Julio, intelligent people use words wisely, they don’t disrespect using bad language.
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Julio: Safeer, disrespect who, a pedophile, your prophet, or your evil God?!
Get lost, you are misfiring. You can be blocked for insubordination, like your friend was a little while ago, so be careful, do you understand?
Safeer A: Julio, yes, that’s Blasphemy and you ignorant can’t understand because you are unthankful for what you are given. Everything you have belongs to Him and He can take it back anytime, so repent and accept the truth before it’s too late for you.
Helen W: Safeer A, you’re stupid! Al ah doesn’t exist, and you talking for him turns you into a sick fanatic. It will be good if Julio blocks you, you are an idiot.
Julio: Safeer, sounds like you are defending Al ah. I call that absurd. But let me tell you this: I have no problem with Al ah; only have problems with those pretending to protect Al ah. Must I say more?
Safeer A: Julio, floods happen for a reason, God knows best. Your small mind can’t understand what’s going on because even your own mind is not created by you, it’s designed by God. Charity is the duty of Humanity and in Islam Humanity is a major part. It’s not just the international community, it’s a call for all that’s what we all must do.
Vinoth K: Safeer A, if your god wishes for them to suffer, then why should others help them? According to yourself, Al ah sends suffering for a purpose, for a test, therefore it is wrong to try helping them. Your logic is distorted, your reasoning faulty, your religion disturbed you.
Julio: Al ah’s admirers do always arrive to block a sound discussion about their god, threatening the audience. It is utterly absurd to stand up in an assembly to defend a god called Super Almighty. I repeat: I never had any problem with Al ah, none whatsoever, absolutely none. My problem is with those pretending to represent Al ah and wanting to be admired for speaking for him! It is a clear sign of a psychological problem, is it not?
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And these characters have Darkness in their hearts, filled with hatred against people that reject their idol god Al ah. They are sick.
Safeer A: Julio, it’s not threatening, for you maybe. But it’s actual y guiding through the light of Truth.
Julio: Safeer, your Al ah is being insulted everywhere, across the Internet, and he never reacts. Obviously, his admirers have to do it for him. That shows the intelligent student that religion can be called a psychiatric dysfunction, tending to be criminal, don’t you think, a massive delusion?
Safeer A: Julio, those who are cowards know that they can do anything on the Internet. It is not His level to react to insulters because the King of kings doesn’t react to stray dogs who bark. We react because we feel for every Human to be guided in the right direction, just like a Mother cares for a misbehaving child.
Julio: Sohail, no, you have no authority to speak for Al ah, no credentials no nothing, except sick zeal pretending to be moral, you don’t fool me. I do not need your moral help, because you are moral y sick.
Syed T: Al ah has given us wisdom and knowledge, but if we don’t use it it’s our fault. Everyone in Pakistan knows that if the government built dams to store water the situation would be different.
Wojciech B: Syed T, people build houses in river valleys, so they should expect floods from time to time, you can only blame the government for letting them do it.
Syed T: Wojciech B, yeah, corrupt people do that, both in civilians and governments. Illogical to blame Al ah.
Reham D: Mark B, this is a very problematic reason for atheists. They don’t want Al ah’s signs to his existence, rather they want Al ah to show 115
his physical appearance. Are you a prophet? Nope. even prophets didn’t see Al ah. He will never ever reveal his physical existence, not until the world is already destroyed, and will rebuild it for judgment day.
Mark B: What atheists want is irrelevant. If there is sufficient evidence and reason to believe that God exists, most everyone would obligately believe, and be able to rational y explain why. Instead we get baseless assertions, excuses, logical fal acies, and threats.
Julio: Reham, for the record: I never had any problem with Al ah, none whatsoever, zero problems. My problems are with religious fanatics like you pretending to represent Al ah and using insults and violence to defend their idols. Must repeat myself here: No problems with Al ah or any other god, or idol, or angel, or demon, none. All is well with all those, perfect peace with them al . The problems start when religious fanatics arrive in forums to speak for Al ah and fight with insults and threats to try to dissuade the intelligent student from inspecting the product they want to push and sel . Like any other intelligent student, I also do hate religious fanaticism.
Ron C: He aint a very nice god if he floods his own people. Or he is non-existent. So much for all that praying on the mat.
Julio: Win $20 for the Salvation Army if you present an example of any major problem Al ah has fixed in the Middle East in the last 200 years.
Hope L: A billion or so Muslims all praying and Al ah’s just chilling.
Gemma S: Because Al ah’s an evil bastard.
Laila Jameson: Oh FFS! I beg you! Go to a real school, or study meteorology, global warming, and weather patterns to see the reason for what’s happening currently. This world has also been doing this mambo for billions of years. Was your god angry at India when it was covered 116
in ice twice for 10 million years each time? To make sure any muslims would freeze to death? lol Was he angry with India when it was filled with dinosaurs for 200 million years. So that if any Muslims showed up they’d get eaten? Grow up! See this is what happens when people have been brainwashed as children, with garbage nonsense stories about gods and demons, etc. Sil y sil y stuff!
Julio: So, when then do muslims need Al ah? What for? Why must they shout al ahuakbar day and night if Al ah does nothing for them? See? Par for the course! Al ah could have fixed the problem when it was smal .
Dinosaurs were not a problem for Al ah. With his magic wand he could have wiped out all the dinosaurs if he wanted. Therefore, he could also help Pakistan. Par for the course, and don’t tell me Al ah could not help Pakistan.
Julio: Laila, I like the way you aggressively expose religion as a disease of brain cel s. Two of us singing from the same music sheet. I deeply hate religion and despise all teachers thereof. All thieves and liars, in my opinion, no exceptions.
Roni S: Hey! Okay first of al , no, it has not been obvious. There’s been nothing obvious at all about the fact that Julio is an atheist. In fact Julio, honestly I’m blown away that you are atheist because I swear to God the way you are posting, and I’ve seen four or five of your posts, they all look like the posts of somebody who is Muslim. You may have made some indication that I haven’t seen in any of your comments that would indicate that you are an atheist. So if you thought that I was acting like you were Muslim, that’s because that’s what I thought. I’m total y blown away that you are atheist and probably that’s where my snarkiness came from, because I thought I was arguing with a Muslim, especial y when you told me how dare you say Al ah is my God! LOL yeah, no, I mean you weren’t clear about your posts that I’ve seen, there’s been zero indication.
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rewire my brain because I was thinking who is this you know j e r k of a Muslim he’s not going to get anywhere from me.
Martin B: Because the men are very sinful and abuse the interpretations of his writings.
Julio: Martin B, no, it is not like that. Al ah sends the flood to Pakistan because he is cruel, an anthropomorphic beast. That’s why. I question Al ah’s performance in the last 200 years. What is there to show in matters of fixing serious issues in the Middle East? Al ah is useless in serious matters.
Daniel T: They weren’t Sharia enough. They need to do more Sharia.
Wes C: Al ah has to be before he can cause anything; he’s not there.
Salh M: Quran says, Do men think that they will be left alone on saying We believe, and that they will not be tested? We did test those before them, and Al ah will certainly know those who are true from those who are false.”
Julio: I asked muslims to show me what good has their god Al ah done for Pakistan in the last 200 years. Got no answer. It is on the other hand an overpopulated country, all shouting Al ahuAkbar and living in congested areas with endemic poverty established on superstition. Prove me wrong and you will win $20 for the Salvation Army. There is an intrinsic problem with Islam. Its victims are told to praise a God that has never helped them, besides the oxygen they over use. They always come up with that story of
“Al ah gives us the oxygen to breathe!” You don’t have to admire Al ah for that little. Ants and spiders also consume oxygen and none has ever shouted al ahuakbar. Now, in my view, since Al ah sent them the flood to kill them and destroy their houses, they should stop shouting al ahuakar, and reject Al ah. Many muslims do, and Al ah does nothing against them.
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pray, and only shout al ahuakbar to avoid trouble with the authorities.
Most are only nominal muslims, waiting for a chance to escape the torture of having to hear the same parrots over and over again telling them to shout al ahuakbar. A religion that keeps repeating the same slogans for centuries is a dangerous cult, because it blocks intelligence and blocks the freedom humans have to think for themselves. In Islam the victims are told to believe in flying horses come what may, in the 21st century, a ridiculous story from the Dark Ages when they believed the universe was geocentric, small and filled up with air for angels, buraqs, horses, pigs, elephants and storks to fly across it with messages from Al ah!
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14 – Why is it necessary to prove God’s existence?
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Allen M: As a fictional character he serves a purpose.
Shanna L: It’s not, unless you’re asserting it as a justification for anything.
De’Neal A: Shanna L, obviously it’s not necessary then either. Look around.
Shanna L: Yeah I don’t find the “look at the trees” argument the slightest bit convincing. It’s literal y the laziest form of faith and argumentation.
No wonder you’d like to pass the burden of the demonstration of your claim.
Julio: Shanna L, yes. Same thing with mushrooms. God created both the good and the poisonous, but didn’t tell anybody which was which. We discovered which ones were poisonous, do you know how we did it?
Shanna L: Julio, do you have a point Julio?
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Julio: Shanna L, of course I do. Basical y, I detest people trying to prove to me God’s existence by using mushrooms, not trees. They say look at the mushrooms, how fantastic they are, edible and all!
Shanna L: Weird that they’d try… I’m not sure I’d find mushrooms any more convincing than looking at the trees.
Julio: You asked them about the poison. They explain that the Devil sneaked behind God and spoiled some. That proves that God exists, haha!
Shanna L: The sad thing is it’s a ridiculous argument and if someone is sold by that then they would have been sold on anything.
Anurag C: Shanna L, unless you’re referring to God as a subjective truth, not objective, otherwise, neither belief nor proof is any justification for God’s existence. You are committing a fal acy of ignorance. Any belief is based on a set of principles that one acts upon. I believe in God means that it is my moral code for my actions.
Shanna L: Anurag C, how? I am ignorant if all they do is tell me they believe in god, I have no knowledge of anything else that provides meaning to their belief.
Anurag C: Shanna L, I believe in God signifies what constitutes my morals. If you are under a circumstance that erupts into a debate then telling I believe in God in a forum simply challenges the morals of others who don’t. Someone who walks into a forum like this with a belief that he or she likes to announce signifies a debate.
Christy P: Anurag C, I found my 13 year old daughter dead in her bed.
That is suffering to a very high degree. The sorrow and fear I experienced at the time was a nightmare. I cried out to God and started reading His Word and applying His ways to my life . He’s given me a peace and comfort beyond what you can imagine. Think I’m irrational? That’s fine, 120
I’m speaking Truth.
Shanna L: Anurag C: the god of the Bible required human sacrifice.
Anurag C: Shanna L, those are ancient moral standards that most religions had from the dark age. We evolved our morality over time and we have developed different moral standards. If there ever be a new God or religion it would be in a different moral zone but with the same essence of good and superiority. The essence doesn’t change by definition because no new definition of God has yet been published. We may see different cultural beliefs but with the same essence. Since God is the same old representation of ancient times and morals the new standards clash with the old ones because we are living in a much better era of civilisation.
Sacrifice was an old moral standard so we now question any sacrifice that God brings to humanity. It wasn’t questioned before because it was standard (good) moral.
Shanna L: Christian god? Muslim god? Hindu god? Mithra? Odin?
Quetzalcoatl? Epona? Zeus? Which god?
Julio: Shanna L, the Pope’s one. “The Pope’s existence: Does it not prove that God exists?”
Shanna L: Do you think a pope proves that god exists? Which pope, since there are more than one.
Anurag C: Shanna, goodness is the standard by which we benefit from things, not by which we test all things. Goodness differs from religion to religion, man to man. In ancient times, people were burned and stoned to death which in Bible style is evident, but nowhere does the definition says God is bad. Find one and tell me if any. The basic structure of God is moral and supremacy. Morality may vary but the essence doesn’t alter.
“Matthew 18:6 Lamentations 2:20 Ezekiel 5:10 Lamentations 4:4 Gen.
9:24, Lev. 10:3 Exodus 12:29 Deuteronomy 21:21 Joshua 10:36 Nahum 121
3:10 Matthew 19:29 Revelations 2:23 Deuteronomy 32:24 How Το Murder Children: Bible Style Drown them. Moms should eat daughters. Fathers should eat sons. Starve them to death. Set fire to them. Smite them all dead. Stone them to death. Use a sword. Smash them in the streets.
Abandon them. Kill them with death. Poison them - from “the book of love and tolerance!”
Julio: I hate having to prove God’s existence! Why doesn’t God himself do it for you?! Was told that that already happened once 15 centuries ago.
Heard that God arrived in the Arabian Desert and said: “Hey there, good evening! See the sun hiding there in a pool of mud? That’s me, to prove that I exist!” ... and this sh@t became sacred scripture, they say.
Eliza S: Julio, easy:”he” doesn’t exist at al .
Julio: Millions of citizens do that every day across the world, trying to prove God’s existence - I’m not one of them! I hate the exercise!
Vaida V: You can’t assume his existence before proof.
Antonio M: Because its possible existence is damaging the brains of hundreds of millions of men, women, and children all across America.
We all live under the rule of this imaginary sky daddy. Nothing happens in a vacuum.
Julio: Some religious folk want to prove God’s existence with the mushrooms.
Safeer A: No need to prove it, we all can see it in everything that we see Julio: In the poisonous mushrooms, too...?
Safeer A: Julio, everything has a purpose, could be for medicine.
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Julio: Safeer A, bul sh@t. People had to die to identify the poisonous mushrooms your god created...? Why don’t you eat a poisonous mushroom, yourself? Why not? Explain that to me.
Safeer A: Julio, that’s for medicine not for general use. Everything has a reason and a purpose. You should know what’s specific and what’s generic first.
Julio: Safeer A, you are misfiring. I asked why don’t you eat a poisonous mushroom.
Derek M: Safeer A, what poisonous mushrooms are used for medicine?
That makes no sense. And looking around at everything proves nothing about a god.
Chris B: Safeer A, like babies with cancer?
Gajapal y N: It’s impossible to prove God, because God is a myth.
Erik S: Gajapal y N, not a myth. A lie.
Julio: Gajapal y N, wait a minute! What about the Pope, does he count for nothing? Why do you think he is called “His Holiness” but to prove that God exists?!...
Jennifer S: Julio, he’s called that because millions of people are still lost in delusional thinking. Nothing more. The pope is just a man in a stupid hat bilking a wealthy lifestyle off vulnerable fools.
Gajapal y N: Jennifer S, the pope is not stupid, he is a cheater.
Steve V: Julio, the pope has no more reason to believe a god exists then anyone else.
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Eliza S: Gajapal y N, final y someone says the truth.
Gajapal y N: Eliza S, all preachers are cheaters, they know that there is no god, but they preach about God to earn undeserving purpose and status.
Mark B: Because the people who believe it use it as an excuse for whatever heinous actions they take.
Michael G: Without proof, believing is simply insane.
Janis A: It isn’t. You can always choose gullibility.
Tyler V: It’s not. Unless of course you’re asserting that the god is real.
Because without proof, it’s just a myth, at absolute best. Just like how you (probably) don’t believe in Bigfoot’s existence (if you do believe in Bigfoot’s existence, replace it with the tooth fairy, leprechauns, the lochness monster, aliens, or whatever). If someone was adamant that Bigfoot was real and was pressuring you to be involved in ceremonies, traditions, story telling involving the great things Bigfoot has done and said, and trying to get you to believe that Bigfoot will give you paradise after you devote your life to it as long as you live by Bigfoot’s rules, you’d probably want to know that the ceremonies, traditions, stories and beliefs were real instead of just in someone’s imagination.
Julio: Muslims and Christians prove God’s existence with threatening language. Is this their best way?
John H: You only need to provide evidence if you want someone else to accept your claim.
Ken A: John H, I point to the solar system and universal laws. Was it serendipity or design?
Derek M: Ken A, you would need to demonstrate that it was designed.
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John H: Ken A, we know how the Solar System formed. It’s because of the fixed Law of Gravity.
Ken A: Is the law of gravity random or by design?
John H: Ken A, neither real y. They come out of the models we have built to explain certain phenomena. We observe a phenomenon, say an apple falling from a tree or lightning from the sky and attempt to explain it.
Early models invoked supernatural beings to explain what we didn’t know: Thor, the God of Thunder for instance. Once we knew about electricity and how charge can build up in the clouds we posited a better explanation and discarded the supernatural explanation. Laws are basical y equations derived from these observations, hypotheses devised to explain them, experiments done to test those hypotheses and the resulting Scientific Theories.
Jayfeather B: It’s not necessary until you start to push rules “made by that god”. If you keep everything to yourself, you need no evidence nor reasoning.
Wayne G: Julio, you ask why it is necessary to prove claims. Isn’t it obvious why?
Julio: “The Pope exists, therefore God exists! He is called His Holiness!
That proves that God exists!”
Steve V: Julio, Tom Cruise exists; does that mean aliens exist and are interacting with Scientologists?
Julio: Steve V, probably; there are aliens in my suburb! Wel , it is necessary to prove God’s existence so that the Pope can live his parasitic lifestyle doing nothing useful for society. Is this not clearly obvious? The Pope stands up and declares that God exists, and that’s why he is important!
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The equation is: No God, no Pope! Therefore, God needs to exist for the Pope to exist. I thought you were a bunch of intelligent people around here, haha. Would you imagine a Pope doing his rounds if God didn’t exist? He is called His Holiness. That proves that God exists. Folks, think.
Why would we call the Pope “His Holiness” if God didn’t exist? Huh... I thought you were a nice bunch of intelligent members around here.
Derek M: Julio, why do you keep writing this? You can’t possibly think that a Pope proves anything about a god existing, can you?
Julio: No; was only pulling your leg, and making fun of the pope, haha!
Anurag C: Julio, the last thing you don’t want as God’s existence is proof.
Umbrel a is proof of rain but not necessarily any evidence of rain.
Ken A: We don’t. Either you believe it or not. You will know, one day.
Derek M: Ken A, not quite. If no god or any type of afterlife exists, then those who believe there are will never know that they are wrong. It will be lights out and they will never realize there isn’t anything more.
That’s why religion is such a scam. No one can come back to say it’s a crock of shit.
Ken A: We are all living, waiting for death. Is that it ? Or, is there more?
Baqino B: It’s important, because if you can’t prove it, it means you believe in a Fairytale. I’m not saying it’s wrong, but keep your Fairytale beliefs to yourself.
Mark M: So when you try and change the laws according to the wants of goat herders in the superstitious past, we can point out your gods didn’t say fuq al .
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totalitarian rule and violent acts against humanity.
Jordan G: It isn’t. That which is impossible cannot be necessary.
Donn H: I’d just like to find out why I exist!
Em D: I like to learn about other people’s reasons for God’s beliefs.
Robert G: Well why is anything necessary? Don’t you think? Before believing something you need to have evidence that it exists?
Julio: Robert G, no, I agree, but if there was proof nobody would engage in trying to prove God’s existence.
Robert G: Julio, true and when you think about it it’s all absurd.
Julio: Apparently, God himself is acting like a bitch, observing all trying to prove his existence and keeping quiet and hiding away, the coward!
He is lucky that he does not exist, or else, if he does, he is behaving terribly and will be punished at the Final Judgement. If God existed, boy, he would have to face the wrath of a hundred billion souls at the Final Judgement pointing him out as a bul y! Come the Last Judgement, and the God Christians and Muslims pushed and sold around our suburbs will have a rough time trying to escape martyrdom!
Robert G: Julio, hmmm yeah sorry my friend, but I have moved way beyond the myths of religion. I try to see the world using different eyes.
That of evidence based logic and reason. I am much more secure in certain realities. Embracing uncertainty is much more interesting than saying it’s god’s will or god did it. The world is uncertain no matter of believe in a supernatural framework; nothing will change it. If it helps people then go for it, but don’t hurt others with your belief.
Lonnie D: Julio, where you’re wrong is he is not supernatural. You are 127
assuming that. Science has shown me he exists. But a scientist building a world from a long way away through quantum mechanics and genetics.
Julio Most of all religions have it wrong.
Angelo B: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence Michael C: It’s not, but since God is a positive claim it can be dismissed without evidence if evidence can not be presented.
Bradleecross R: If there’s no verifiable proof of a “god”, then there’s no need for a “god”! Life and death is what it is.
John C: Because this is a debate group. When claiming god is a fact and responsible for doing anything at all you assume the “burden of proof”.
Harry K: It is only necessary to prove that it cannot be proved.
Glenn S: Do you care whether religious beliefs are true? Do you think it is just to demand respect for irrational beliefs or make others live by immoral religious rules if it can’t even be demonstrated that a god exists?
Eliza S: If it’s true, then it can be proven beyond a shadow of doubt. Do you know a Christian who could meet one of the killers of her mom and forgive her (only the girl, though, because she got on the stand (her boyfriend was looking at me like he would have liked to kill me) admitted to it, then wanted to talk to us, missing the victim, to apologize for such a bad murder and not only forgive her but thank her for her truthful testimony, which got the two of the killers two consecutive life sentences without possibility of parole. The man was looking at me like he wished he could kill me.
Jason C: Because you can’t run around making unfounded claims without proof!
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Laila J: Dunno! I don’t ask anyone to do that, because I know they can’t.
They have zero evidence of any kind whatsoever, for anything so-called
“super”-natural. So, I don’t ask. I might mention there’s no evidence, or might have said once or twice to someone here or there, who’s claiming there’s so much evidence for gods or a Jesus, “Ok, then where or what is it?” But that’s only for the purpose of il ustrating, to them, that it doesn’t exist. It’s a quick way to shut that nonsense down.
Margreet M: A god that can’t be proven to exist, is equal to a god that doesn’t exist.
Jason A: Because people are enacting laws that affect people outside of their religious faith. If your God doesn’t exist (all religious ideas of God are impossible to exist) then those laws are only harmful.
Gemma S: Because otherwise people will make up all sorts of stories to create a cult and vulnerable ppl will be sucked in.
Robert G: It provides a sort of security that even if you happen to have a short brutal life that there is hope in the next life. So I think that is the al ure. People don’t like to look at the realities and feel more comfortable with myths. I prefer reality for myself.
Bob M: It’s not necessary to prove God’s existence. What might be of interest is why so many millions must have imaginary friends. Worse than that, why do so many millions are so easily scammed to think that there is eternal life after death? They have no proof that the spiritual world exists, and they don’t seem to need proof. Is everyone nuts?
Julio: Bob M, good point. Religion does turn victims intellectual y poor.
David B: Atheists seem to think that we theists have to prove God exists to them. We don’t have to prove anything to them. They have freewil .
Why can’t atheists accept that?
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Krisztián H: There is no need to prove its existence; just don’t claim that such a thing exists.
Julio: Good point, but we are constantly pestered by God’s agents with the mission to prove that he exists, and also to prove that he registers our aggressive behaviour mocking their proof.
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15 – Is the Pope proof that God exists?
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James M: So much for the old adage that there aren’t any stupid questions.
Julio: James M, correct; that’s exactly what I told the guy that told me he is, haha! But let us be honest: the guy does indeed act like he represents God, does he not? So, maybe he is proof that God exists. Or not? “Julio, stop this shit, one member here already called you stupid!...” Absolutely!
Even his hat is divinely inspired! That man is through and through the Holy Father, the Vicar of Christ, and if you doubt it or mock it, your eternal destiny is sealed in hell or worse! You don’t mock the Pope and expect blessings from heaven!
Kevin C: Julio, ok I am mocking him now.
Julio: Kevin C, ... wel , sadly, your heavenly blessing will be recalled, one laments...
Laila J: Worse than hell?
Julio: Laila J, haven’t you heard? Two eternities in hel , the second the worst one, furnaces with higher temperature!
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Bil y K: Julio, this Jesus was illegitimate i.e. a bastard.
Julio: Derek M, sir, no what? You know nothing! Folks, let us establish the logic of discussion on this topic: [1] the man represents God, therefore God exists; [2] if the man does not represent God, then he represents the Devil. Do you agree? Maybe James is going to call this another stupid post... haha!
Laila J: We have only two choices? One god or another god? LOL.
Julio: Laila J, there is only one God, the Pope says. The Muslims say the same, but they are all on their way to Jahannam, hel , for rejecting the only true God, the Pope’s one, the Pope says. When it comes to believing in God, you’d better believe in the Pope’s God, not the Muslims’ God. You stand a better chance, because the Pope does indeed represent the true God Almighty, not the God of the muslims, a much smaller Almighty.
Do you understand this simple situation? Hope so, for the good of your soul - so says the Pope.
Laila J: That does sound very serious! But what about their other god, Satan? And that one the Pope god hates.
Andrés C: I once dressed up as Batman for Halloween: [1] I represented Batman, therefore Batman exists; [2] if I didn’t represent Batman, then I represented the Joker. Do you agree?
Laila J: Oh definitely, yes! CEO of God Inc.
Julio: Laila J, he is, and well paid for the job! Do you know the Pope’s salary? Nothing less than a million a day! You are not proof of God’s existence for peanuts!
Laila J: Seriously?! Someone said that church has something like 2,700
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it’s a lot of cash!
Julio: Laila J, yes, that is right. I did read Avro Manhattan’s book “The Vatican Billions”. The Pope is well paid by God to represent God. God works in mysterious way in matters of paying the Pope to represent God: He, God, scares the Catholics with Purgatory and the victims give the Pope the billions of dol ars and Euros. Simple and interesting technique.
Laila J: I wanna run for Pope at the next election. I could straighten that place out. Get them much cooler looking hats.
Julio: Laila J, perfect, haha! Personal y, I cannot stand the hat the guy wears now, so ridiculous!
Laila J: God’s rich, so I’ve heard, streets of gold in heaven? Stinking rich!
Julio: Laila J, when you go to heaven, you will eventual y be tired of so much walking on streets of gold in the New Jerusalem; and you will cry for a walk in the old city, instead, with that popular awful odour of full latrines and Arabs everywhere shouting al ahuakblar!
Laila J: This Greek orthodoxy thing, hat, needs a redesign. A major overhaul!
Tyler V: Only in the same way Toby McGuire is proof that Spiderman exists.
Julio: Tyler V, ... and you think the Pope is going to like it when he reads your comment...?!
Tyler V: Not any more than Toby McGuire might? To be honest, I don’t mind if the pope doesn’t like it. I don’t like the pedophilia he hides and the pedophiles he protects, so I think I’m allowed to offend him just a little.
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Laila J: Definitely the hat’s a dead giveaway! You know the old saying
“A pointed gold and white hat is where God’s at!” “And if it’s flat, ...” you know.
Don A: Why, no. The Pope is proof that the Pope exists. I thought that would be obvious.
Dave J: The pope is proof where all the money goes to from the churches and charity funds.
Julio: Dave J, God told the Pope to keep all the money, no need to give account of how much the system collects and hides.
Dave J: Julio, God told the pope to keep all the money and forget about those who truly need feeding and saving. Great God!
Julio: Dave J, in my humble opinion, the God the Pope sel s is a miserable thief!
Dave J: Julio, funny how St Peter and St Paul the so-called apostles became the first ever people to form the Catholic Church and St Peter became the pope to start a new form of religion.
Julio: Dave J, yes, I know that story very wel . Jesus called Peter Satan, when Jesus installed Peter as the first Pope - Matthew 16:17-19. Peter the First was a violent criminal and a coarse liar. He started the Official Inquisition in Jerusalem with the killing of the first victims thereof, Ananias and wife Sapphire for their money - Acts 5:1-11. The number of victims would later in the centuries compute into the millions. Peter, Jesus, Paul, and the other apostles were all criminals, thieves and liars, and their lineage followed exactly the same trend to this very day. Saint Peter’s Square is round, haha!
Dave J: Julio, it’s crazy.
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Rizaldy C: Yes, for those people who believe in God.
Julio: Rizaldy C, do you love the Pope?
Rizaldy C: Julio, love him as a human being, but not love as a believer.
Joriz G: The Pope is just a hierarchical position made by the catholic church to establish hierarchies in the church. Just think of how an Emperor of Rome and Pope have their similarities between power and ruling their position.
Donna S: No, he’s proof that pedos exist.
Ilona T: No, he is just proof that people believe in a god, and in his case specifical y the Roman Catholic version of the Christian God, which is a version of the Abrahamic God.
Saan L: Are you talking about the Bishop of Rome or the Pope? The Catholic “Pope” is just the Roman Emperor. There is no proof of your god.
Ben T: The Pope is proof that God does not exist because during the medieval period and to these days, the Popes were very sinful, wicked and immoral, committing all kinds of guilty reprehensible acts. Yet they were the ones who keep and look after the Vatican Library and know all its content and information about religious texts. After knowing all this information about religious texts the popes were still a sinful mob committing evil acts. This proves that God does not exist at al .
Julio: Ben T, I do agree ful y. Indeed, all Popes were criminals, liars and thieves, not one an exception, because all of them endorsed the lie that they represent God and Christ. They only represent the den of thieves they run, that’s al . The UN should declare the Pope a persona non grata 134
and never pay any attention to the thief. Popes go around pretending that they represent God, and that they speak for God, which is a very wicked and evil lie. And to perpetuate their parasitic existence, they demand that their victims must give them money. They did steal all the money they amassed.
Julio: Vidar L, he says he is God’s rep! And if he says he is, he is, because he says so! He also has the power of God to say he is God’s representative, and who, after al , are you to tell him he is not?! He can excommunicate you, do you know the danger of that punishment?
Vidar L: No, he doesn’t say anything ever. You have to exist to say anything or excommunicate etc. The Bible is based on earlier mythology, we still have many of the myths they copied from, in museums today Julio: Vidar L, wel , I personal y, do agree with you 100%, but the Pope does not!
Vidar L; You have to be delusional to be elected Pope.
Julio: Vidar L, very much so. I regard the Pope a big thief and a big liar, nothing less than that, and I would never invite him over for tea and biscuits in my rose garden, so much I detest popes. The Pope is proof that God exists because God gave him the power to punish those who disbelieve. The Curia, the Magisterium, the College of Cardinals, and Vatican Army can inflict severe punishment on anybody that disbelieves, disagrees, or mocks the guy! Do you folks know what excommunication means?! It means secular punishment, expropriation, incarceration, loss of life, and then eternal banishment to unending torment or worse for your soul forever & ever. This is just to warn you that being proof that God exists, the Pope admits no contradictions, denials, mocking or disdain. The Pope said that God told him to tell you that God told him to tell you. No more proof needed, do you understand?!
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Andrés C: Julio, people have given the Pope and the religious institutions behind him a lot of power. The same exact thing happened with the high priests of many ancient deities.
Denny R: The pope is evil. Catholics have twisted the word of God and made it a business. Matthew 23 9: “And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
Mike R: No. The Pope is evidence that Catholicism exists.
Donn H: If people didn’t conceive the gods, then the others who
‘represent’ such gods wouldn’t be needed. The Pope certainly is proof that a billion people believe in a certain god, but of course not proof that that god actual y exists!
Julio: Donn H, good point. There are billions of people that need to believe in God, and in a way it is bad or wrong to try to remove their God from them. My only objection to Gods and religions is the violent side and the violence religion throws at antagonists, and the crimes committed by religions. That’s the only angle that I fight about to destroy religion.
Islam and Christianity both created millions of victims that never did any wrong to any religion, only reacted against being attacked. Many wars were the result of religion and its lords, gods, prophets and holy books!
It is an extremely primitive and brutal planet where we live alone, lost, forgotten in the universe, from where we cannot, shall not ever escape.
Barry R: The pope is proof that the Holy See is the most powerful leader in politics, the pope is proof that the world is a slave plantation withheld for profit, the central banks stealing from every country, the pope is proof that Jesuit treachery is in the politics of every government.
Brad K: No, he’s proof that Satan exists because their church is the seed of Satan, and teaches doctrines of demons.
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Jason A: Are reindeer proof that Santa exists?
Jennifer S: No, there is no proof any deity exists or that any Pope represents them, none; it’s all a massive deception that has cost the lives of millions of victims.
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16 – Become a Muslim to believe in FLYING HORSES
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Julio: One muslim told me that Buraq - the flying horse of Islam - was a quantum horse capable of flying in vacuum with a real prophet on its back! That’s what a cult from the Dark Ages does to the human brain, lol! Muslims push & sell their religion, but when you react against it they get angry and call you names and condemn you to an eternity of torment or worse. Muslims want you to embrace, convert and submit, but they forget that you have the right to defend yourself and counterattack their impertinence. So, being an intelligent student, you do react and counterattack their impertinence, because it is your right, but muslims get angry and counter-react with condemnations on the Last Day, and threaten you with Al ah’s Final Judgement, or worse. That’s a cult, and how cultic victims operate in your suburbs.
Robert G: I’m not a believer in supernatural claims of any sort. I just have a natural world view.
Ahmad S: Respect others belief.
Julio: Doesn’t work like that. You are to respect people if they deserve it, not beliefs. Respecting beliefs is to respect stupidity, is it not?
Ahmad S: Julio, they think you are the stupid one for going to hell by being a disbeliever.
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Julio: You tell a muslim “I respect your belief in flying horses, but you respect my belief in the Spaghetti Monster!” He laughs at your belief, and even goes one step further and threatens you with the judgement of the last day. Religion has always produced bad fruit.
Ahmad S: Julio we respect your destiny as a hell people.
Julio: Ahmad S, you see! LOL! In Islam, to deny or mock the Flying Horse is to run into problems if you live in an Islamic country. Why so? Why can you not laugh or mock the Flying Horse of Islam? Simply because under such circumstances you are the minority and easy to attack and molest.
Hans-R: Ahmad S, respect must be earned.
Julio: Muslims assert that buraq the flying horse existed, and that it could fly across vacuum for 8 hours with a human on its back, without any of the two suffering any side effects like asphyxiation, LOL! So, you’re not supposed to laugh at the absurdity?
Andrés C: Or just believe in flying horses.
Soetiran K: And talking snakes?…
Angie U: Want to be the brightest douche on the Internet? Become an atheist.
Hope L: Want to believe in talking snakes and a Zombie savior? Convert to Christianity!
Julio: Every muslim must believe the buraq story, simply because without this animal beast, their favorite prophet would have not gone to Paradise to talk with Al ah and get the relevant revelations that gave origin to 138
Islam. In my opinion, this is a belief that affects the growth of their brain cel s, one laments. I once asked a muslim acquaintance, trying to convert me to Islam, if upon converting and submitting I would have to believe in flying horses like he did. He replied that all muslims must believe the buraq story or be labeled apostates subjected to harsh sanctions and reprisals. I observed that intelligent students are impossible to arrest for his cult, and I laughed.
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17 – “READ THE QURAN!”
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Ryan S: Still won’t prove Al ah exists.
Julio: Ryan S, I did read it in three different English versions. It is a barbaric story, full of violent tirades, improper for morality. Al ah is only another anthropomorphic beast born in the Middle East [to rhyme]. This book is indeed immoral. And those pushing it as a moral standard cannot be moral people, but victims of another barbaric cult from the Dark Ages.
What for?! After reading it three times I learned one thing: it is religious dung. My opinion. I am entitled to inspect the product on sale and make my conclusion whether it is or not a good product. It is a bad product. I learned that it is not from Al ah or any other God. It is a bloody violent book men wrote to kill brain cel s. You do not need the quran in your life: you do not need any religious book for you to be a decent human being.
Islam is a bloody violent cult from the Dark Ages, that’s what it is. It is a backward cult from the Dark Ages that forces its victims to believe in flying horses! How stupid! Been told uncountable times to read the quran.
I did it three times, three different English versions in parallel reading for a book I wrote in 2006. It was painful for all the diatribe and crap I had to see. Conclusion? Impossible to be a story from divine inspiration. I did not find anything useful for me in that repugnant book full of violence and threats against me, while doing Al ah a favour by reading his book!
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And it starts with a big lie right away from the first sentence. I hate holy books.
Bil y K: Julio, the koran is a clone of the Bible. Both are full of utter stupidity and bullShit.
Julio: Bil y K, true. Recycled baloney with no value for morality, full of threats and reprisals against the intelligent student when its reprehensible side is exposed.
Laila J: The Truth! Right here in this thread. Religious books are books of bul sh!t! Hindu books are no better and their devotees no nicer in debate.
Same smell with a different hat on it. All day argument with three of them, calling me all kinds of mofos, and other east indian flavored insults.
That part was fun as hel , and funny! Arguing against the validity of their monkey god, building a floating bridge out of rocks. LOL Them telling each other what a useless piece of worthlessness I was, because “how would I know anything?” It’s pumice, and sorry, but it wasn’t monkeys. If you’re ever in need of new stoopidity, those are your books!
Julio: Laila J, “Religious books are books of bul sh!t!” Are you 100% sure?
If so, you have never said anything truer than that!
John C: I did read it. I wasn’t impressed.
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Julio: SHUT UP!!!!!!! I already did!! And it was a torment worse than Jahannam!! Not a good book!
Peter P: I don’t do bul shit, read about science instead.
Ollie D: I read it and almost puked my guts.
Julio: Let’s understand this point right here: We do not have any problem with any God, Al ah included! All the problems we have are with fanatical people accusing us of having problems with Gods. Muslims do this dishonest practice all the time, accusing others that they have problems with Al ah. It is a dishonest practice. Our problems are with religious fanatics, not with any God. I can assure my religious adversaries that I have no problem with any God, none. I only have problems with religious bigots, extremists, militants, fanatics, radicals, fundamentalists, religiously blind idiots. Al ah and I are on the best terms - so much so that we don’t even need to talk to each other, perfect harmony. But come the muslims with their cult from the Dark Ages, believing in flying horses, and the problems start. That’s where we have problems: with religious fanatics pretending to represent Al ah. Let me repeat for clarity: I never had any problem with Al ah. None. In perfect harmony with Al ah, here.
He is great, because he never speaks to me, nor do I need to speak to him, never. In fact, Al ah never spoke to me in the last thirty years I’ve been arguing with muslims about Al ah.
Andrew H: Julio, perhaps he can also tell you why Islam has its origins deeply rooted in Judaism.
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Julio: I even tried to force Al ah to tell me something, but got not far. I remember once praying to Al ah: “Oh Al ah, tell me if you have a prophet to speak for you, in Jesus’ name I pray, amen, and please try to answer in three minutes, many thanks, amen.” At another occasion I prayed to Al ah: “Oh Al ah, tell me if you wrote a book to send me a message, in Jesus’ name I pray, amen, and please try to answer in three minutes, many thanks, amen.” And again some other time I prayed to Al ah: “Oh Al ah, are you always angry and use muslims to threaten me and other innocent folk, in Jesus’ name I pray, amen, and please try to answer in three minutes, many thanks, amen.” Nothing, never got far with my prayers. Yet, when one day I told a muslim acquaintance that I had prayed to Al ah, the guy gave me a stern reprimand and told me that I could not pray like that, because Al ah never answers those prayers! I asked the guy if it was Al ah that told him to tell me, or if he sucked it from his big toe! He got even angrier, and we departed to our different ways never to meet again.
Here was a clear example of a muslim pretending to represent Al ah, so pious that Al ah spoke to him when he had a message for me. That’s religion and fanaticism that kil s brain cel s by the millions turning the victim incapable of normal reasoning.
Nat T: It doesn’t say anything.
Ray S: Read The God Delusion.
Andrew H: Ray S, I have and it’s a great book.
Michael H: I’m sorry for your delusion or religion or whatever it is.
Julio: Michael H, yes, muslims live under the most impalpable culture of superstition, shame, poor people. I did read the quran to see all its absurdities and incongruence. Was a very painful exercise. Suffered constant stomach pain while reading it. Basical y, in matters of morality, I learned nothing from reading that book. Then, I heard that most muslims 143
don’t read the quran or pray to Al ah. They only mumble “prayers” to pass for followers of their prophet. Millions are simply fed up with the cult, and waiting for an appropriate opportunity to escape the rut where they are prisoners.
Mark M: “Read any, non-religious, book!”
Julio: I’m not Al ah’s enemy, never was, and never will be. I am only defending against religious people trying to sell me their god, and when I resist and react against them they insult and threaten me. Muslims are very quick to threaten others for laughing at the product they push and sel . It is your right to resist muslims and their horror cult from the Dark Ages, because you do not want to believe in flying horses.
Larz L: Why read about the pedophile muhamed that rape children? I think it’s better if you read about the Spiderman.
Julio: You are not wrong. Indeed, that “holy book” is not divinely inspired anywhere in its pages. Where there is violence there is no divine inspiration. Impossible to exist a God that to send you a message needed to write a book fifteen centuries ago in an old dialect you didn’t understand. Religion kil s brain cel s.
Bill K: Read about half of it and I don’t need to eat a whole shit sandwich to know I don’t want another one.
Timothy M: Julio, I have! From al-fatiha till the end. still sh!tty like the Bible.
Don A: I have read the Quran. In translation, but I have read it. I’m still an atheist. Sorry ‘bout that.
Lena S: I have and it’s obvious that Al ah is nothing more than Muhammad’s alter ego... plus the book is complete bul shit.
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Julio: When you start reading this almanac of lies you quickly detect its first lie. “Al ah the most merciful!” That’s how this compendium of lies starts. But you are quickly confronted by muslims demanding that you see Al ah as the most merciful, regardless of any proof against it. That’s how a cult works. All its victims are to shut down their brains not to see the obvious. And once inside the cult you are threatened not to think for yourself, or be labeled an apostate with cruel reprisals. Once a prisoner of a cult from the Dark Ages, like Islam is, the poor victim is threatened with severe reprisals if questioning any of the stories pushed by the leaders, including flying horses. You have to believe in flying horses wanting or not. If you disagree with flying horses your name will be in a black list of suspicious infiltrators. To believe in flying horses is paramount for your security within the cult. All muslims must believe in flying horses or something bad will happen to them.
Kel y B: I have read some of the Islamic Bible and funnily enough it is similar even down to the psalm in some cases. Just another religion cherry picking from other religions.
Soetiran K: Why must I read the quran?
Julio: Because muslims say that Al ah wrote you a private message 15
centuries ago in a strange dialect of the Arabian Desert to be translated to modern English so that you know that Al ah gives you the oxygen you breathe! You read the quran and you understand that Al ah is incapable of sending you a private message without writing a violent book in the 7th century in an old dialect you don’t understand.
Soetiran K: Julio, he can not even protect Libya or Iraq from Christian invaders.
Julio: You read the quran, and you final y understand why islam is a violent cult from the Dark Ages.
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Ross R: Again, why, what did I miss?
Leonardo R: Maybe after the Vedas and the Popol Vuh and the Bardo Thodol.
Michael S: Reading the Bible heals all your psychological problems.
Dimitri K: Boring read. Do not recommend. Epic of Gilgamesh or the Sagas are way better.
De H: I don’t like to read fiction books....no thanks.
Zelda A: Why would I read a pedophile slavers autobiography?
Laila J: Like every other religion, it fks up a child’s reality testing. Unable to separate fantasy from reality. Convinced they’ve been taught the truth.
Many of them were beaten, if they didn’t memorize it and do so correctly.
How would they know any different as a teenager or adult? Stumbling into these forums is one way, I guess. “Problems with a god?” “Hating their god?” Tell them to replace god with Santa Claus and see how stuoopid that sounds.
Julio: Laila J, haha, by principle I hate, detest, and abhor all gods from all religions that write holy books with messages to me. My principle is very sound: You can reject any God that to send you a private message had to write a book. And as a rule, all holy books are bloody violent stories. No exceptions. I did Al ah a favour by reading his holy book, and his reaction was to send muslims with threats and curses for rejecting the story.
Laila J: And aren’t they clever to always remember to include – well at least in any religion I’ve ever looked into – to kill atheists? And they always say it like it real y means something. “My book told me there would be people like you! Coming to tell me none of this sh!t is true and how horrible, 146
what horrible people you are!” LOL Yeah, I always have to remind them that every single religious book says that. Every religious book says to kill atheists, and talks about what horrible people the truth Bringers are. LOL
In fact I know religion tried to steal that saying there’s a religious group called “The truth Bringers”. LOL Hilarious!
Julio: Muslims told me many times to read the quran. Many times in thirty years debating them. They told me that I needed to read the quran because Al ah wrote me a message in the 7th century in the old Arabic dialect of the Arabian Desert. I went and read it, looking for the message muslims told me Al ah wrote for me. Never found the message, nor was my name ever mentioned in the quran. They lied to me. Then, disappointed and angry, I sat down under a coconut tree and told myself:
“Hey, wait a minute! Why would Al ah tell these guys to tell me that he wrote me a message in the 7th c. of the Dark Ages in the old Arabic dialect of the Arabian Desert, instead of telling me directly, like hey Julio I have a message for you, want to hear it?” Then I thought, man, what sort of cult is this where its God sends me messages muslims say he wrote in the 7th c. of the Dark Ages in the old Arabic dialect of the Arabian Desert? And I said to myself, forget it, will never appreciate such a strange God. And I didn’t.
Laila J: They say Islam will be successful at taking over the world. I say that’s why we’re here in an attempt to make sure that doesn’t happen. Well that or any other religion. Christianity is trying hard to fight back against that in the US, trying to turn this into Shiite Christian country. It’s al sooo f****** crazy!!! God damn insanity. And not the fun kind! LOL.
The problem is Christians will be the easiest to convert to Islam. That’s already been determined. It’ll be a piece of cake, it’s the same religion.
They just don’t think so and I don’t think all those southern belle women Christian women are going to love wearing black sheets for the rest of their lives, make up and jewelry being illegal in public? Something they can be thrown in prison for? And no high heels underneath? Nothing!
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my case for why we need more atheists and why we do not need more Christians, if we’re going to combat this b******* at al . If not, if you want to remain Christian then you know... salaam alaikum mofos! I do know what I’m talking about in that regard, and so do others have spoken to LOL. Women, you want to be political y correct? You’re going to political y correct yourself right into a black sheet one of these days.
Do the reading on those statistics predicted.
Sal M: I already have read that disgusting lying blood-lust death-cult handbook for nutters.
Luke P: Do not say you have read the whole Quran. As you know, much of it has been lost.
Don A: Luke P, lost? Let me get this straight. You guys had one “holy book” which you claim was the literal, dictated word of god, and you
“lost” much of it? Clumsy of you, don’t you think? Al ah’s gonna be pissed.
Bryan C: I’m reading The Satanic Verses.
Tim E: Why must I read the quran? There is no need. If God is all loving and forgiving, would he forgive someone for not believing in him, without being asked? No. Yes. Then he is not all loving and forgiving. No one needs to believe nor worship him.
Margreet M: OP, I could, but would it remove the errors, immorality and misogyny from the quran? Not likely. Let me know when al ah has written an updated quran v.2.0.
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18 – Know how to solve the mystery: all came from nothing 66 comments
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Julio: There is a way. The entire universe came from nothing. Theists fight that it is impossible for all to come from nothing. How do you resolve this mystery? It is linguistical y correct that all came from nothing. It is not a philosophical problem.
Saan L: Julio, you are talking to yourself as when you pray to god. That we can not yet explain or ever will BE able to explain does not mean you can affirm your god. Julio, and yes it is a philosophical problem which in many ways is the root of pretty much all that ails this planet. Do we own the ramifications of the practices and ideologies that we attribute to our existence? Or do we defer our “judgement” to an as yet ever verified promise of redemption, justification of predestination after death?
Julio: Saan L, I didn’t understand what you meant; what is your point?
Steve V: Julio there has never been nothing.
David B: Julio, by not playing mind games.
Saan L: Observe, collect data and study while ignoring neolithic mythology?
Julio: Saan L, yes, but where do you locate the term “nothing” in the mystery? Suddenly, the Universe!
Terry B: Julio, just because you can’t understand it, doesn’t make it any less real.
Julio: Terry B, oh! I do understand it perfectly, but I’m allowing other members around here to let us know their opinions. Think like this: Let us remove the term “nothing” from the mystery and see if we simplify the problem. As I said earlier, the problem is the term “Nothing”. “All from Nothing” is the problem.
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Terry B: Julio, you are setting high expectations for a FB group of unknown intellectual credentials. I would pose that question to a Quantum Physics study group.
David B: Julio, a sine wave crosses nothing in a cycle.
Ed L: Demonstrate that there was ever nothing.
Michael P: There’s never been nothing and can’t ever have been.
Julio: Michael P: How would we explain the sudden arrival of all from nothing?
Michael P: My hunch, such as it is, is that all of the matter in the universe today as of right now has always been here. The notion fits the laws of conservation of matter and of energy. There never was “nothing” out of which any “something” had to be created. That is a semantic and scientific impossibility.
Mathieu N: Where does God come from? From the same “nothing” that humans come from in atheism. God is not required to explain life.
Hope L: Mathieu N, but you’re required to defend/prove your supernatural claims if you expect anyone to believe them.
Tyler V: Atheism doesn’t make an origins claim though. So, given that, why do you think atheists say humans came from nothing? In all my years in these types of groups, I have never seen an atheist say that. The only people I have seen say this are Christians.
Jim L: Read Stephen Hawkings last book where he deals with this issue. It is called Brief Answers to the Big Questions. See what one of the greatest minds of the last few hundred years has to say.
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August R: How to solve any mystery. Learn more.
Jim G: Yes, join the church of atheism. They use magic to explain it.
Bob M: Where does an invisible Heaven with billions of invisible, slobbering souls come from? We can prove that the universe is here and especial y all forms of life on Earth are here, but the imaginary world of God and Heaven are nothing, came from nothing, and will remain nothing for eternity!
Brandon V: Every physicist who writes on “nothing” just uses it as a filler word. They all know it’s not nothing.
Terry B: Brandon V, you’ve talked to every physicist? Wow, and did you learn that in a college physics class?
Brandon V: Atheists need a literal nothing, but then u have the problem of consciousness and eternity. All the renowned atheists at this point in debate admit they believe in the “numinous and transcendent”.
Warren C: It sounds like you are just trying to justify your own ignorance.
There was never “nothing”.
Glenn B: I don’t believe in magic.
James M: Julio, what mystery? Who has ever demonstrated that “all came from nothing”?
Julio: James M, the gnostic of the 2nd century did.
Harry K: Just as soon as you can demonstrate the “nothing”.
Mark M: Wel , prove the “nothing” exists, or ever existed.
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Molnár R: Hundreds of years ago people hadn’t even heard of the term viruses, and how illness spreads. Chil . We have time to come up with good explanations, scientists work on it.
Don J: To repeat for the 1000th time no scientific theory has ever said everything came from nothing. Maybe you should learn science before you start criticizing it.
Thabo M: Only religious believers who know how to solve invisible numbers.
Jamie B: My understanding is that at the instant of the Big Bang all of what we experience as the attributes of the cosmos manifested as what we refer to as the laws of physics inclusive of time. Since time came into existence at that instant there real y isn’t a “before” the Big Bang for which we have a paradigm. Whatever brought our current presentation of the universe into being may exist or have existed in a state for which we simply have no frame of reference. We may never be capable of knowing. That being said, our lack of knowledge does not lead to an inevitable or reasonable
“Therefore God”.
Julio: Folks, I told you that the solution for this great mystery is in the definition of the word “Nothing”. I also told you that the mystery was almost solved by the gnostics of old. Once you find the correct definition of the term “Nothing” you have found the truth of it al . You will have found the proper explanation for the sentence “All came from Nothing”.
One way to fix this problem - there are at least two ways to fix it - is to remove the term “Nothing” from the sentence. Try it. You will have the sentence like this: “All came from”. Or “All came”. And the next step is to remove the past tense of the verb come, “came”. Try it, don’t be stubborn in your pride or self-esteem. And final y the original sentence was reduced to the simple adverb “al ”. Simple, try it yourself. There it is, the solution for the great mystery about “All came from Nothing”. But since the sentence lost its linguistic meaning, you shall be wise to also 152
drop the adverb. Now! Will you try this? What are you left with? Nothing!
Ah, it was simple, in the end: nothing. The problem of this great mystery is the words we created to try to define it. I told you before, didn’t I, that once you delete, remove or block all the words in the sentence what is left is “Nothing”, exactly where all started or came from. In other words, the mystery exists because we created it with our words. Remove all the words and there it is the solution right in front of your eyes: there is no mystery. We think that we are important in creating mysteries where there is none. Now, the problem theists create with “all came from nothing” is a worthless straw man. They think that they are important to stand up to defend some almighty Creator to explain the existence of al , while once the words are removed nothing exists anymore, including that Creator and themselves. Goodnight.
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19 – Islam: A religion or a cult?
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Julio: Must be a cult, because all its victims are told to believe in flying horses.
KailiRaven S: Julio, three posts in a day, all about Islam!
Julio: KailiRaven S, is that a problem? The moment admins tell me to delete two of them I wil , haha.
Zelda A: Depends on the expectations or the individual churches/sects.
Steve C: They believe Muhammad reached escape velocity on a talking donkey, flew 400,000km to the Moon and cut it in half with his bare hands. It logical y follows that at some point he went back up there with some goril a glue and stuck it back together, ‘cause last I checked the Moon was still a single piece. Yup. Stupid shit.
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Julio: Steve C, cults invent baloney of that quality. The problem with cults like islam is that the adult victims indoctrinate the young victims, resulting in more fanatical stories and behaviour. Early in the indoctrination of their own children, muslims tell them to believe in flying horses, and natural y, children tend to believe the adults. It is a social disgrace.
One muslim told me that Buraq the flying horse was a quantum horse, carrying a real man on its back across vacuum and the guy didn’t suffer any side effects, like asphyxiation. When you believe this crap you are a victim of a cult of men.
Alexander W: Why don’t atheists know what religions are?! Cults are small counter cultural groups. Religions are large, cultural y normative groups.
Julio: Alexander W, wrong.
Jim G: Julio, the mic drop is that our courts have ruled that it is. But wait there’s more; atheists worship a god of the gaps form of scientism where “we will figure out origins just give us time.” You have a holy book Darwin’s Origin of Species. Dogmas, time + chance = life and the cosmos Saints, Darwin, Dawkins, Sam Harris et al. Cathedrals, museums of natural history. Sacraments, belief in common descent, materialism, natural selection. Faith, everything came from nothing, poof, ferry dust magic. Seminaries of indoctrination, academia. 501c3 tax exempt status defined as a religion by our courts. Clergy, professors and philosophers.
Miracles; abiogenesis and a materialistic cosmogony. Apostates, those like Einstein that convert to deism, theism, etc. Denominations, (there’s a dozen types of evolution). I think you get the idea. Julio; you’re so damn cute, arguing, proselytizing for your small gods. Such devotion.
Since you’ve been arguing here there are thousands of new Christian converts. Atheism is dying. You’re worm food trying to save the world.
That’s your only purpose, fertilizer. So noble. The daisies thank you. It’s you that believes in the “virgin birth” … of the universe! That’s your god.
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So a mother conceiving a child should be a piece of cake for you. I don’t have as much faith as you. At least in my story of origins, the Big Bang has a magician and a hat; for your tribe believes it magical y popped into existence, without a magician or a hat. Now that takes faith. It’s a creed of your church. Ferry dust.
Julio: Jim G, I have no church, and don’t play magician. The hard facts of religion are the bad fruit it produces, dividing society, families, friends; the whole world is infested with that bad fruit religion keeps discharging.
Jim G: Julio, the church of atheism has killed more in the last century than religion has in 2,000 years. And I don’t even defend Islam. That’s your church.
Michael D: Alexander W, wrong again. Alex, the only difference between organised religion & religious cults is size of membership: ergot, all religions are dangerous cults.
Julio: Michael D, absolutely. All religions are cultic conscriptions to constrict and confuse the careless.
Quentin R: Alexander W, that’s one way to define it. But, a cult is also defined as a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
Alexander W: Quentin R: you’re forgetting of a relatively small size.
Quentin R: Alexander W, again, there are multiple definitions for a cult, and the one I provided from the Oxford Dictionary, doesn’t imply the size. Note, that definition I provided is the first result that pops up, then there’s another one which takes size into account. Cults don’t have to be small to be considered a cult. Also, what is the criteria for small? At what point does a cult no longer remain a cult in the context of size?
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Alexander W: Quentin R, when it becomes cultural y normative.
Julio: Islam intrudes in your life with threats and curses. You have the right to react against the intrusion. Muslims try to evangelise you to convert and submit to their cult. Natural y, then, you have the same right to counterattack and expose the cult for what it is. Am I wrong? Muslims react against you when you tell them that you reject their cult. They will threaten you with the “Last Day” punishment and Jahannam! They tell you that they speak for Al ah and you must hear! It is a bloody lie you must react against. Par for the course; it’s a cult of fanatical men.
Don A: They’re almost all cults.
Julio: Don A, true. Take the Pope and his cult, where he is called “Holy Father”, another perfect definition of a cult where a man is idolised and has all power above the law. Sadly, this world is severely infected with cults where men play holy fathers.
Lena S: The difference between a cult and a religion is the amount of followers.
Julio: Lena S, I disagree. A cult is a social system where a man is idolised or worshiped as the supreme leader whom all victims must respect and call prophet or father.
Asheroth H: Julio, you are correct that there is a difference between a religion and a cult, but cults do not require there to be a man regarded as supreme leader. Useful models of cult behavior are multifaceted.
Tyler V: Julio, like Jesus?
Julio: Tyler V, yes, of course. Jesus was metamorphosed into a god to become the hero of the cult his disciple Peter started in Jerusalem with the first two murders to inaugurate the Official Inquisition. Acts 5:1-11.
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Tyler V: Social acceptability.
Ahmad S: Which religion is not a cult?
Julio: The term “religion” is indefinable, but general y means a big cult men created to overpower other men into fear of some god. We have the clear example of Moses and the cult he created with a god he invented, Yahweh. This horrific cult by this evil terrorist, eventual y grew in size and number of followers to end up in an extremely pernicious cult ruled by a supreme leader called “Holy Father” the very worst example available for definitions.
Ahmad S: Julio, which religion is not a cult?
Julio: Ahmad S, none is; all religions are men’s cults exploiting the victims for their money. You can call them dens or conscriptions of thieves and liars.
Silas A: That’s not about opinions. The words religion and cult are defined.
You can look those words up. If you say Islam is a cult, your English skil s are pretty bad, Julio.
Julio: Silas A, I define Islam as a cult governed by men, worshiping a man they call prophet. It is a cult, regardless of the number of adherents.
Indoctrination is the weapon used to brainwash children into calling it a religion, the best religion in the world, as they say.
Silas A: Julio, so you’re creating your own language. That makes your life complicated.
Julio: Silas A, yes. Islam has the hallmarks of a cult: ruled by men; idolises a man; protects its god; sel s its holy book; threatens different opinions; creates a source of crime; brainwashes children ... and forces its victims to 157
believe in flying horses!
Julio: Religions are cults, and big cults are wrongly called religions.
Asheroth H: Would you like to define what a cult is, what a religion is, and why my religion is a cult?
Julio: Cults are run by money.
Asheroth H: Julio, show me exactly what statement I made that is wrong and demonstrate how it is wrong.
Hope L: Asheroth H, by your own account, you’re religious, therefore delusional. Tantrum? Just so you’re right. It’s almost midnight. I’mma call it a night. You have fun arguing with or educating whoever else might be up this late and conveniently up for a debate/lecture on cults.
Asheroth H: Hope L, what belief are you assuming that I have, how are you going to demonstrate that it is incorrect, and how do you plan to demonstrate to me that “delusion” is the same thing as “incorrect belief”?
Julio: Cults are involved in extracting money from victims. A cult can be defined as a conscription of men stealing money from inattentive victims.
Hope L: Asheroth H, I’m up at 5 a.m. so as I said, I’mma hit the bed. How about you cut the shit and enlighten us all on your religious (delusional) beliefs so we can quit the conjecture or shall we just continue to entertain your little semantic game so you can feel intellectual y superior and jack off to your own reflection afterwards? Goodnight. I’ll respond in the morning if there’s time.
Oke C: I don’t know what you mean by cult, but all I can attest is that Islam is an Arabic Judaism borrowed religion.
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Keith B: All religions are cults.
Ilona T: All religions are cults, social y accepted cults, so Islam is both a religion and a cult.
Julio: No; Islam is definitely a cult, as I said earlier; a cult of men imposing fear on inattentive victims or worse: Ruled by men; idolises a man; protects its god; sel s its holy book; threatens different opinions; creates crime; brainwashes children ... and it forces its victims to believe in flying horses! I said that before.
Silas A: Julio, and again someone asking a question who doesn’t want to know the answer and believes to know it before asking. That’s weird and sounds like a cult or religious thing to me. What exactly are the downsides of believing in flying horses? That sounds pretty cool to me.
Martial H: All man made religions are cults.
Julio: Martial H, very much so. Islam, Catholicism, Protestants, Baptists, Charismatics, JWs, Adventists, Anglicans, Methodists, the whole gamut a conscription of cultic congregations.
Bil y K: Martial H, total y agree with you. And all religions are plain bul shit.
Julio: Bil y K, religion was to be an inoffensive pastime between meals if nobody got hurt. Sadly, many are victims of religion, affecting their brainpower, intelligence, and thinking freedom.
Dennis B: All religions started as cults; the only difference is number of members.
Stephen W: I think it depends on the amount of mental control of the particular sect. The Sufi’s the more mystical sect or Islam seems more 159
open the free thought while extremist groups don’t. I think we need to be careful of broad brushing a faith.
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20 – True or false that Al ah gives us the oxygen?
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Julio: Muslims are always threatening us with the oxygen they say Al ah gives us, and say that such a gift is proof that he exists. How true is this?
I have been threatened many times with this story about oxygen. Always asked: “Julio, who gives you the oxygen you breathe?” They mean “Julio, Al ah exists, because he gives you the oxygen!” Of course you ask Al ah about this matter, not a muslim. You don’t ask anything about oxygen to a guy that believes in flying horses. By the way, do you know why muslims believe in flying horses? Let me tell you why. Because in the Dark Ages of the seventh century, they believed it was a geocentric universe filled with AIR for horses to fly through. Heaven and Paradise was above the stationary Earth, with everything else orbiting it, including the Sun and the Moon. Surah 36:40 is proof that in the times of the quran they believed that the Sun and the Moon went around the earth. So, in those retrograde days of the Dark Ages and dark superstitions in the Middle East, cults were created to teach the ignorant and illiterate that Al ah could transport a favorite prophet to heaven above with a flying horse because there was air everywhere. In real science, we now know that this geocentric universe never existed. Islam is, therefore, a cult of ignorant men, born in the days when the Sun and the Moon orbited the stationary Earth, and flying horses could fly through air from here to Paradise to see Al ah. Of course, they could also believe that the Moon was made of cheese, if they had to, haha, how ridiculous can a cult be!
Ollie D: Julio, flying donkey with a woman head, a transdonkey?
Mark M: It’s laughable, that’s what it is, so stupid.
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Julio: Mark M. Muslims tell you to respect what they believe! You are not blessed by Al ah for laughing at the oxygen he gives you! The result of mocking this belief is that Al ah will dispatch you to Jahannam on the Last Day!
Graham A: Julio, I ask Muslims to respect my belief that they are often sil y and irrational in their thoughts.
Mark M: Julio, nobody tel s me what to do, nobody! With the exception of my daughter.
John T: Sixty to eighty percent of Earth’s oxygen production is from oceanic plankton, drifting plants, algae, and some bacteria that can photosynthesize. The rest comes from various things like land vegetation.
Unless Al ah is oceanic plankton, he was not involved. Probably because he isn’t real.
Julio: John T: Muslims disagree! They can threaten you for suggesting that Al ah is plankton, don’t say that again!
Keith B: Julio, Al ah isn’t even as substantial as phytoplankton is, because Al ah is a fictional character. And if Muslims disagree, they’re still wrong.
And if they threaten the antagonists, we put those people in jail if the threats are serious.
John S: Not even a reasonable question so the answer is OP is stupid.
Julio: John S, do you mean my question is stupid, and it is not true that Al ah gives us the oxygen? But muslims do always threaten their adversaries with the oxygen Al ah gives us, they say. I’ve heard it many times: “Hey, Julio, if you don’t believe in Al ah, then who gives you the oxygen you breathe?”
It’s a loaded question they pose, meaning that the oxygen we consume is proof that Al ah exists. Meaning that by breathing oxygen you have the 161
proof that Al ah exists. Is this true or false, John?
John S: Julio, yeah of course it’s a loaded question. It’s also a stupid question as Al ah doesn’t exist.
Andrew G: False.
Julio: Andrew G, I say the same; Al ah is an anthropomorphic beast and gives nothing to anybody. I can prove it.
Keith B: Pascal’s Wager? There’s no ‘if’ to be concerned with. There are over 3000 religions, but yours is special. I have no concern that Al ah is real any more than I do the Clown from the movie ‘It!” Both are fictitious.
Julio: Folks, imagine a religion that threatens its antagonists and adversaries with oxygen! Always wonder where did the muslims get the idea that Al ah gives us the oxygen! Did muslims invent this story of Al ah giving us the oxygen, or did Al ah tell them hey I give you the oxygen? If you pray and ask Al ah, “Oh Al ah did you give us the oxygen?” he will not answer you! It gets suspicious, in other words, that the muslims invented this story. What do you think?
Steve C: False, oxygen comes mostly from photosynthesis. I learned that when I was like 5. Catch up, mate.
Julio: But muslims say that Al ah told them that the oxygen comes from Al ah, par for the course.
Keith B: Anurag C, oxygen is born as stars col apse and form supernovas.
Laila J: LOL! Sil y rabbit! Everyone knows that’s Bugs Bunny’s job!
Robert G: If you have a religious worldview you will submit to Al ah. So you must believe that Oxygen is given to man by Al ah. But I am not of 162
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Julio: But muslims tell us that Al ah gives us the oxygen! How can you deny it? Do you want to complicate the situation...?
Quentin R: False, the Abrahamic god doesn’t exist. Plankton in the oceans and trees provide oxygen.
Julio: Quentin R. the leaders of Islam would not allow you to say that; it would be haram, a sin, and punishment would be swift. You would be called an apostate and removed from society - was like that in the past.
Also, in the 7th century nobody knew a thing about plankton and even the ocean: they live in a desert with sand storms and wolves howling in the distance.
Peter G: False; it has been tested and proven multiple times over and over.
It wasn’t any religious character of any sort that gave us our oxygen.
Reham D: How do the trees come to existence if there is no consciousness behind all this before the beginning? It is Al ah. Therefore trees are created because of us humans to get carbon-dioxide and inhale oxygen. So the answer is yes.
Begen J: False ... Santa Claus does.
Tina J: No. Trees and phytoplankton do. Mostly phytoplankton though.
Save the oceans!
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21 – Was Jesus a schizophrenic narcissist or worse?
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Su H: Worse…
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Julio: Su H, like what?... Looks like you don’t admire the guy!
Ben C: If you don’t know Him you ask a question like this, loaded as if to proclaim you have insight.
Julio: Ben C, wel , look, the guy was full of himself, was he not? He even told his admirers that they had to hate their families to follow him - Luke 14:26 [KJV]. Did he not say that? He suffered from schizophrenia, or was it worse? You do not know Jesus, because he died 2000 years ago and is now fossilised bones. Unless you take advantage of such bones for your own personal gain, like living a parasitic lifestyle at the expense of victims that believe the same crap. Are you one of those?...
Ben C: Julio, God doesn’t suffer from anything. Your anthropogenics are banal. God is holy.
Julio: Ben C: My friend, you do not speak for God, nor do you represent any God. Your talk is also anthropogenic, pol uted by religious fervour.
Prove to us that Jesus was God and you will win $20 for the Salvation Army, I challenge you.
Ben C: Julio, deconstruct it. Your position statement is pretentious and is only a mundane opinion.
Julio: Ben C, you do not want to take up the challenge, it’s fine, no problem, good night. I never had any problem with Jesus or any other christ or smaller god, none. My problem is with religious bigots that come along pretending to represent God or Jesus and pretending to speak for them.
That’s where my problem is. I assure you that I never had any problem with any God or Christ, none whatsoever. But, boy, problems with religious fanatics, by the ton! Those liars and thieves come along with threats and curses against anybody simply arguing subjective matters of religion with them. It is serious stuff, when you say you represent God!
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Ryan S: He didn’t exist.
Don A: We don’t know. Jesus wrote nothing which has come down to us.
The disciples wrote nothing that has come down to us. The gospels were written many years after his death by people who never met him. How on Earth are we expected to know anything about his personality or his mind?
Julio: Don A, correct, but the “Jesus” in the gospels was seriously deranged by what he is said to have said.
Don A: Julio, the “Jesus in the gospels” and the historical Jesus may have been quite different; that’s all I’m saying. The gospels paint Jesus as someone who believed he was god, but the historical Jesus may never have believed that.
Jim G: Don A, wrong.
Don A: Jim, saying “wrong” doesn’t real y carry much weight, you know....
Jim G: Don, regurgitating well known false talking points either. Touché Julio: Jim G, explain what you mean by regurgitating false talking points, please.
Don A: Jim, do yourself a favor. Look up the proper use of the word
“touche” before you further embarrass yourself.
Jim G: Don, was being magnanimous. I can tell you’re new at this.
Jim G: Julio, point [1] meaningless straw man. Socrates wrote nothing.
Dumb statement. [2] false; [3] false; written closer to events than any writings of antiquity by several who were with him daily, Paul did not 165
meet Jesus in person. [4] We know a lot because of the narrative nature transmitted by those in close contact, that was the skill developed at that time in history in lieu of writing everything down, and accuracy was extremely reliable.
Julio: Jim G, I don’t know what you’re talking about, haha.
Jim G: Julio, actual y that is projection. Attacking an entity you deny exists is a diagnostic criteria for mental illness, see paraphrenia. I’m a counselor.
Perhaps I can refer you to someone in your area? Lastly, angry ignorant little boys, schizophrenics, don’t care for people, feeding them, healing them, sacrificing for them, delivering them from demons. Schizophrenics attack entities they deny exist. Ouch. Just trying to help. They’re paranoid.
They’d be inclined to constantly post their attacks on their phantoms they hate and claim do not exist. Hope that was helpful.
Julio: Jim G, you’re the one who needs help, I observed in your dispatch.
I can help you. I have decades of experience in helping folk with religious trauma. I was referring to the christ in the canonical gospels, not a real individual. Ask me any question about the christ in the canonical gospels, and I’m sure I can help you disconnect from a mental aberration, sincerely.
As for Jesus delivering victims of demonic possession, that’s propaganda to try to sell a false product. According to you, Jesus had the power to cast demons from victims, but have you ever thought why he never expelled or cast all the demons from the planet? Par for th course, goodnight.
Jim G: Julio, the only religious trauma is your own. Twitching drooling hatred for a ghost. Bizzare. Again; paraphrenia. Look into that. You’re welcome.
Julio: Jim, for instance, delivering people from demons, do you know the real story about that type of “miracle”? I can help you disconnect from being a victim of mental obtuseness. This entity that you say I constantly attack was the cause of much pain, suffering, violence, and war horrors 166
throughout the last 20 centuries, did you know? He himself said that he came not to bring peace, but a sword of division, war, crime. And it came to pass exactly as he is said to have said. Jim, I can help you disconnect from your mental prison to religion. I was once there, same situation, but I escaped the horrible rut of darkness. You are in there, and you need help.
I can help you, sincerely.
Jim G: Julio, no, there’s no such thing as an ex-Christian. That’s a myth.
You were always a goat. The tares fool some, it “looks” like wheat. That’s what Judas was, but Christ said he was a “devil from the beginning.”
Unfortunately you remain biblical y illiterate because you never studied it.
You can’t help yourself, you’re deluded.
Julio: Jim G, I studied the Bible and most relevant disciplines now for almost fifty years, my friend. I do know it much better than you. It is exactly because I studied the Bible that I discovered how a compendium of lies it is. Obviously, you are a Calvinist, and that is even a worse prison than I thought. You do need serious help. I can help you. Ask me any question about faith, and I will certainly help you escape the rut where you are a prisoner. Sincerely.
Jim G: Julio, “I can help you.” Cute. Try actual y doing what you never did.
Read the Bible. But I do understand that goats don’t have the Holy Spirit so it may be a fool’s errand, look where it got you, obsessed with entities you deny exist. And you think you don’t have serious cognitive dissonance issues?
Julio: Jim G, you are misfiring badly, stop it. You are now insulting me.
The topic is only a conversation about a religious hero. Don’t take it personal y. If you insist I will block you for insults and rudeness, I warn.
You do not represent Jesus! You do not speak for him. When you come along pretending to represent Jesus that is a clear sign of some mental dysfunction. As I said earlier, I never had any problem with Jesus. None.
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Jesus is a very serious mental disturbance. But there is help for you, if you allow me to help.
Jim G: Julio, would love to come see you do stand-up. I have to give you some serious credit for that. If you can’t handle those that challenge you then of course that’s what your ilk does. Censor, block, etc.
Julio: Jim G, yes, why not? I will block you for your insolence and pretending to speak for Jesus, a christ you call God, but to send me a message he needs you. When you say that Jesus needs you to protect him, you turn Jesus into a little midget, insignificant dwarf made of recycled plastic. I know why you do that. You are protecting your religious agenda of being called spiritual. Yet, by your dispatches I don’t see much piety in you. So, be careful with your comments, if you want to remain in this august assembly discussing important matters. Or, maybe you decide to depart and leave through the back door, and be heard of no more here.
Bil y K: Jim G, this god is a bullShit Non-existent Thing.
Jim G: Bil y K, so something cannot not exist and simultaneously be a
“thing.” Think.
Mathew V: Christ was a story from birth to death.
Roni S: Who knows, maybe he was decent and ppl just made up stories.
Maggie Q: Don’t be an asshole. It’s not good to weaponize mental illness.
You should use a mental illness as a pejorative. Does Jesus sound or look like he fits in either of these? DSM-5 Diagnostic Criteria for Schizophrenia.
The presence of at least two of the following five items, each present for a clinical y significant portion of time during a 1-month period (or less if successful y treated), with at least one of them being items 1), 2), or 3): 1) delusions, 2) hal ucinations, 3) disorganized speech, 4) grossly disorganized or catatonic behavior, and 5) negative symptoms (e.g., decreased motivation 168
and diminished expressiveness). For a clinical y significant portion of the time since the onset of the disturbance, the level of functioning in one or more major areas (e.g., work, interpersonal relations, or self-care) is markedly below the level achieved before onset; when the onset is in childhood or adolescence, the expected level of interpersonal, academic, or occupational functioning is not achieved. Continuous signs of the disturbance persist for a period of at least 6 months, which must include at least 1 month of symptoms (or less if successful y treated); prodromal symptoms often precede the active phase, and residual symptoms may follow it, characterized by mild or subthreshold forms of hal ucinations or delusions. Schizoaffective disorder and depressive or bipolar disorder with psychotic features have been ruled out because either no major depressive, manic, or mixed episodes have occurred concurrently with the active-phase symptoms or any mood episodes that have occurred during active-phase symptoms have been present for a minority of the total duration of the active and residual periods of the illness. The disturbance is not attributable to the physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse or a medication) or another medical condition. If there is a history of autism spectrum disorder or a communication disorder of childhood onset, the additional diagnosis of schizophrenia is made only if prominent delusions or hal ucinations, in addition to the other required symptoms or schizophrenia, are also present for at least 1 month (or less if successful y treated). In addition to the symptom domain areas identified in the first diagnostic criterion, assessment of cognition, depression, and mania symptom domains is vital for distinguishing between schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder: A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by 5
(or more) of the following: Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g. -
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associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions). Requires excessive admiration. Has a sense of entitlement (i.e. - unreasonable expectations of especial y favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations). Is interpersonal y exploitative (i.e. - takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends). Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes. Psychopathology.
Julio: In short, what do you mean? Was Jesus schizophrenic or not?
Maggie Q: Julio, read the symptoms I listed.
Julio: Maggie Q, not now, some other time, haha; it is copy & paste stuff, too long. Good night.
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22 – Do Muslims real y believe in FLYING HORSES?!
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Brian T: I don’t real y think people care what Islam says unless they are Muslim, and even then, those people are typical y too afraid to speak out against their religion because they live life at the edge of the knife.
Roni S: Brian T, lots of people care.
Julio: Isn’t that the height of the ridiculous?! Muslims tell me to read the quran to convert and submit to islam to then also believe in flying horses like them! Do I need that in my life, real y: to believe in flying horses?
Apparently, this buraq flying beast, winged horse, could fly across vacuum for a night with a prophet on its back, and none suffered any side effects like asphyxiation! And, dear muslims, do you think that I need this in my life? Do I need to believe in flying horses and then tell my children that 170
I now converted and submitted to Islam and now I also believe in flying horses, and I get angry if they mock me and start laughing at my mental illness?
Ammo A: No, they real y believe in flying pigs!
Julio: Do people around here know exactly why muslims are forced to believe in flying horses [buraq]? I can tell you! By the way, Christians also believe in flying horses - the mental problem of believing superstitions from the obscure past is generalised. There is a strong reason as to why Muslims and Christians believe flying horses existed in the long gone past, want to know?
Steve F: And that it’s ok to forcibly marry a 6 year old girl. Then rape her at 9. Do you believe me? Read the Koran.
Julio: Steve F, Aisha was severely traumatised by a fifty-year old violently deflowering her. Her mother then told her to take revenge when she would have the right moment. When Aisha was 24, she put a potent poison in the guy’s tea, and he died a most horrific death in extreme pain, not even Al ah could save him! Well done, lady! Personal y, I hate this cult from the Dark Ages, for all its crimes against humanity and more. Women in Islam are regarded as inferior human beings Christians also did that in the past. One day I asked a muslim how it was possible that an inferior woman could give birth to a superior man! The idiot gave me a lesson in stuttering!
Bil y K: Julio, this Islam is a bullShit religion of peace and mistreating women.
Jamesp: Julio, you lied here about the poison stuff. He was poisoned by a Jewish woman, says their holy book.
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guy perished. The fact is that Aisha wanted to kill him, and one tradition says that she succeeded and he died in extreme agony, not even Al ah could save him, well done Aisha.
Basir U: Steve F, hasn’t God power to make puberty earlier and mature a person before?
Julio: Basir U, your comment sounds immoral. Are you defending Al ah here?! Isn’t it being dishonest trying to protect Al ah from a crime against a child?! Watch out, or you will be blocked for coarse misdemeanours! You are projecting an Al ah that molests a child to please a rapist! In a moment you will be banned from here, watch out!
Basir U: Julio, I am his servant and trying to aware his other servants.
Julio: Basir U, prove that Al ah needs you to be his agent to deliver his messages to me. Give you three minutes. If after 3 minutes you have no proof I will call you another religious liar. How come Al ah is the Super Almighty you say he is and yet he needs your help?! Something is badly wrong with you, man. Go see a psychiatrist urgently. “Hey, Julio, Al ah is the Super Almighty God the Creator of the Visible and Invisible Universes, but to send you, Julio, a private message he needs me to help him! Also, Julio, if you disdain my servanthood and call me a small-brain-low-IQ idiot, as you call us all th time, Al ah told me to tell you that I can threaten you with eternal torment or worse in Jahannam, Julio, do you understand?!” What?! I’m tired of religious fanatics of your type, get lost, haha! Basir, your 3 minutes to explain how some Super Almighty needs you are almost up! I urge you to explain this matter or I will be forced to call you a bloody liar and block you out of this friendly conversation, I warn.
Julio: Sorry, folks, it seems that Basir was trying to play pious around here, but his mouth was full of lies, so I have no recourse but to block him for his lies and insolence, Good night, Basir, wasn’t nice to know you.
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Ryan S: Thought it was an ass.
Julio: Ryan S, even worse! The ass was abused, by having to carry a man on its back for thousands of kilometres, flapping the heavy wings, the poor creature, across vacuum holding its breath, but the prophet was not affected by asphyxiation, because he could hold his lungs without air for at least 8 hours! He was a prophet, and could do the impossible twice with Al ah’s help!
Julio: If you refuse to believe in flying horses you cannot become a muslim!
I once asked a muslim if I could convert & submit to islam without believing in flying horses. He said no, you must believe in flying horses or else you will never be accepted as one of us. Al ah - he said - wants us to believe in flying horses, and never argue against it or else! And he said that Al ah is most merciful, because he gives us the oxygen to breathe, haha.
Julio: Muslims do all the time threaten me with the oxygen story, which they say Al ah gives me. They say that if Al ah wasn’t most merciful I would walk around gasping for oxygen always on the brink of complete asphyxiation! You do know how religion turns people stupid, don’t you?
Roni S: This guy and his Muslim stuff, lol, I guess someone needs to focus on them, mostly I see just Jesus cult bashing.
Julio: Roni S, okay, but what’s your comment about flying horses, if I may ask?
Roni S: Julio, it has to do with Islam and how people do not criticize it enough, because ohhh poor Muslims and what not. I’m saying we do need to focus more on it. To answer your q, flying horses isn’t what it says, it’s a horse and donkey like creature with wings, and the precursor to this stupid myth is the Pegasus from Greek mythology, but at least they had cooler myths.
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Ahmed R: God who creates birds and horses and humans can create anything in heaven.
Julio: Ahmed R, can even create the ridiculous: a horse with 5-meter wingspan flying across vacuum in extremely low temperatures with a prophet on its back for millions of kilometers holding his breath for 12
hours! It’s a ridiculous God! Safer to worship scorpions, in my opinion.
Ahmad S: What do you believe in?
Julio: Ahmad, I believe the Moon smel s like Roquefort cheese.
Bil y K: Ahmad S, who cares about this bul shit Non-existent Thing called a god.
Don A: And Christians and Jews read Genesis. Do they believe in talking snakes? All religions are ridiculous. All of them.
Julio: For sure. Christians are not better than Muslims in matters of believing the most absurd. I’ve had lots of arguments with Christians about those matters of Genesis’ first three chapters. Man, the tripe they can dispense is astonishing.
Raj S: Yes but they don’t like to talk about it. They only want to talk about how great Islam is, not about how dumb Islam is.
Joriz G: Yes they also believe that their prophet split the moon into half, sun sinking on mud and aren’t familiar with asexual creatures capable of producing independently without requiring a partner to mate because it will col apse the idiocy in their book.
Julio: The most exquisite bul sh@t I heard was that their favorite prophet was so holy that he would not cast a shadow on the ground when he 174
walked in the sun. Some fanatical muslims do actual y believe this tripe that their favorite guru did not cast a shadow on the ground, so holy the guy was. Now, you convert & submit to a cult from the Dark Ages to be forced to believe this type of content?!
Joriz G: Julio, I don’t adhere to any Abrahamic cults. I’m sick and tired of being exposed to their absurd and ridiculous beliefs total y ludicrous and outrageous bul shit.
Garry T: They have to believe all that nonsense, otherwise they will suffer serious reprisals. And once labeled apostates they are finished in their communities.
Julio: Garry T, yes, because it is a cult full of danger against individual drifting. You are a slave of superstition for life.
Garry T: Julio, the fear of ostracism and even death forced them to believe that most idiotic stuff.
Julio: Garry T, true, exactly what it is - fear of other men, not any God.
The situation is that when it comes to applying sanctions on dissenters or drifters, it is the hierarchy that does it. Islam is a very dangerous cult from the Dark Ages with severe punishment against anybody trying to
“disbelieve” the crap content, like flying horses.
Basir U: We talk through the air on mobile phones to each other million of miles away; then why wouldn’t the Almighty God have the power to take his beloved one to the skies?
Garry T: Basir U, we have evidence of mobile phones, but what about your god and your horse? Nothing.
Larz L: Yes they believe in islamic mythology. Hilarious and ridiculous.
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Ola L: Mohammed did fly to heaven on a winged horse, so Muslims have to believe that.
Djamel A: Glory be to the Creator! No photo description available.
Paul B: Yes, and virgin sex slaves from Al ah, too. I hate Al ah.
Julio: Muslims do seem to be calling Al ah stupid with this story of a flying horse to take his favorite prophet to heaven. What a ridiculous and unintelligent story these unfortunate victims of a cult from the Dark Ages believe, real y. So abysmal y absurd, I tell you. Was it not more clever to just snap his big fingers and presto his favorite prophet was there instantly?
Muslims force themselves to accept and believe the coarsest of fables ever invented in religion. Look at how this imam put it here for us:
“God who created birds and horses and humans can create anything in heaven.” He is calling Al ah very stupid! Why wouldn’t Al ah just snap his big thumb and big middle finger together and hoist his favorite prophet to Paradise without much ado, or instead of a flying horse a flying eagle of even a winged-dinosaur; or come down himself to his favorite prophet’s tent in the Arabian Desert for tea & Kuwait dates? Man, is this the stuff one gets to believe once one converts and submits to a cult from the Dark Ages? Not for me, for God’s sake! I hate religion. Good night everyone.
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23 – What book is better: the Quran or the Dictionary?
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Julio: Surah 2 puts Al ah asking about a better book than the Quran. How ridiculous of Al ah. A good dictionary is much better. I did read the quran, and what did I learn from reading it? Nothing of value. And I also read a lot in the Collins Dictionary, and what did I learn from it? A lot of good stuff. So, dear Al ah, maybe in the 7th century of the Dark Ages there were no dictionaries, and most folk couldn’t read, but today your book is crap 176
compared with a good dictionary, do you understand? So, was it Al ah or men who wrote the quran? A dictionary is the hard work of a qualified person or team of experts, but the quran is a violent story impossible to have originated from a dignified God. Now surah 2:23 has been answered.
Youssef M: Julio, then why no one throughout the years was able to come with a book like it?
Ola L: Any book is better than the Quran.
Lena S: The Silmarillion is a better moral guide than the Quran and much better written.
Bob M: A roll of toilet paper!
Jameson Z: The Quran is better as a toilet paper.
Youssef M: Jameson Z, have you read it?
Lawrence W: A dictionary is actual y useful.
Djamel A: This is so true that people are the enemies of what they ignore!
Aitch T: The Yellow Pages.
Djamel A: This guy is ignorant, and has been traumatised by religion.
Julio, or maybe it’s you, who’s been traumatised by the religion you grew up with.
Roni S: Julio, these people always refer to someone else because they don’t seem to want to have ideas of their own, it’s how cults work.
Youssef M: Julio, why is he ignorant? For me he seems different.
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Mike R: “Better” for what? A dictionary is a book of information, compiled by men, that is good at providing current definitions of words. The Quran is a book of fictional stories, written by men, that is good for limiting thought and behavior in an attempt to control the population.
Julio: True. Which one would you choose as the best of the two?
Mike R: Julio I think the dictionary is the “best” as it is more universal y accepted.
Jim G: Julio, would it be too much to ask before you litter this site with inane memes to stop and think first. “What’s better, a piece of string or a plum?” Think. You’re embarrassing yourself.
Djamel A: Mike R, are you sure? I didn’t read the Bible to be honest, but reading the Qur’an which I’ve memorized 3/4 of it makes me fly over the whole of the universe! There’s a verse in it and for your information, the verse in the Qur’an is a phrase short or long and they are 6236 phrases called ayat or sings; there’s a verse that says “do they come from nothing, or do they create themselves?”
Mike R: Djamel A, you “fly over the whole universe”? Interesting…What drugs are you on when doing this “flying”? If no drugs are involved, I’d recommend considering seeing a psychiatrist. You’re likely hal ucinating.
Djamel A: Mike R, thank you, I think it’s this advice that I need the most, haha.
Mike R: Djamel A, I like THC gummies… but they don’t make me hal ucinate. “Magic mushrooms” on the other hand, those can, but they taste terrible.
Roni S: Mike R, dictionaries are better as paper weight, quran is just useless.
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Youssef M: Mike R, if humans wrote it then for sure it would have errors or contradictions; especial y since it’s not a scientific book, but includes scientific miracles. Since you are saying it’s limiting in behavior in an attempt to control, can you further explain? Because there’s nothing mentioned in quran that God forbids us to do, and it doesn’t have a bad effect on us.
Mike R: Youssef M, what “scientific miracles” are you referring to? There are errors in the Quran. The Quran states that men are superior to women.
That’s very controlling social y. I could spend hours sitting more examples, but I’m not going to waste my time here with fanatics of your type…
Youssef M: Mike R, please provide me with these errors. I would spend hours explaining to you all your points or assumptions if you have any, and I would be happy doing that.
Mike R: Youssef M, the Quran states that the moon follows the sun in an orbit around the earth. This, as we know, is incorrect. It also states that the sun sets in a muddy stream. Again, incorrect. The Quran states that the moon and sun are similar in size and distance from the earth, Also incorrect.
Mike R: Tom, if you believe that making observations is akin to pointing fingers, it is your right to hold that opinion. As for my atheism… I grew up next door to a church. I had family members who were deacons. I occasional y got to ring the church bell on Sunday mornings to call the town to the service. As much time as I spent there, I was never convinced that any of the stories were true. Eventual y, I was allowed to stop attending.
The church did nothing for me. And that is the basis of my atheism. I don’t believe in any gods. That’s al . If you prefer to attribute some grandiose explanations to my lack of belief, that is your choice. It real y isn’t as deep or complicated as you make it out to be.
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Tom A: Mike R, ... so I see that your atheism is a philosophy of egoism and appeal to emotions. Sounds complicated!... But not so much logical.
Mike R: Tom A, no. It’s not complicated at al .
Joe G: All religions are myths.
Mark M: Honestly, any other book is better than the Quran. Admittedly, the dictionary is pretty cool though.
Peter K: The dictionary actual y has some utility.
Steve C: Dunno about the dictionary, but The Hungry Caterpil ar is a shit-ton better than the Quran.
Joe B: The Quran is a myth.
Julio: I would say that the book is a dangerous weapon muslims utilize to threaten adversaries with. They demand that you read it to understand islam properly, but when you do read it and then tell them that you were horrified by its violence, they get angry at you and threaten you more!
That’s how that cult of horrors works on their minds.
Joe B: Youssef M, Ok, right around 3000 people died at the hands of Islam on 9-11. Did Al ah sanction that crime?
Joe B: Youssef M, you will deny all facts. It’s due to your brainwashing that you can’t accept what Islam has done to you and others. This is what you are suffering from…“cognitive dissonance, the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especial y as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change.”
Youssef M: Joe B, why are you saying it’s muslims? We don’t even say we did it. Non muslim claims it’s a muslim who did it, so why do you want to 180
put it on us? If you spend half of the time reading about islam comparing to what just researching false information about islam I believe you would have already know what islam ask for. And there is a verse in the quran saying if you kill one soul its as if you killed all humanity. In islam we are against killing. But if you are brainwashed with the media and west propaganda then i am sorry i cannot help in that. My last point would be i am against what happened in 911, whoever did it, but i didn’t see any of your reaction against what USA did after 911 in concurring Afghanistan and killing millions comparing to the 3000 people died in USA. Why you don’t say its bad?
Julio: Youssef, you mentioned surah 5:32, there. You miserable hypocrite, why don’t you also mention the next verse, where your beastly Al ah orders you to KILL your adversaries, special y the Jews referred to in the previous verse?! Verse 32, don’t kill; verse 33, kil . That verse is never mentioned by any muslim under any debate. Shows you the caliber of their morality. I hate religious cults and their hypocrisy.
Joe B: Youssef M, on one of the planes the microphones were stuck on, and they were screaming al ahuakbar. They left video tapes saying they were going to do it. Do you need more proof islam was behind 9-11?
Julio: You cannot compare a good dictionary with a religious book filled up to the brim with violence and ugly content.
Roni S: Julio, I’d focus on the absurdity of it being correct in any way, their clerics try to reinterpret everything to fit their needs at the time.
Julio: Roni S, do you know why they do that?
Roni S: Julio, because the religion is hot garbage with many errors scientifical y and otherwise.
Eliza S: That’s easy. I’d say a dictionary any day of the week.
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Ann J: The Quran is a fairy tale book written with biases so you should buy a dictionary since it’s not useless.
Youssef M: Ann J, have you read it?
Ann J: Youssef M, yes, it’s a fairy tale / fictional / imaginary / just a joke.
Youssef M: Ann J, so you read it, but how come you concluded it’s all of that? I mean from what, because i read it and i have different view on it.
Can you also give me examples?
Ann J: Youssef M, an example: al ah is a joke, a fictional character made by man, imaginary not real, pointless book.
Youssef M: Ann J, may i ask what proof do you need for you to change this, for example what proof do you need to believe that God exists?
Ann J: Youssef M, there’s no need to prove it because it doesn’t exist. Means nah never, unless he pops up in this comment section and says hi.
Youssef M: Ann J, seriously? That’s how discussions are made?
Ann J: Youssef M, if your god can show up like now then he does exist; if not then he doesn’t; what part of it do u not understand? Signs are different from a god because signs are objective, and god is subjective; they would never interconnect with one another. Therefore god is not real. The brain is objective; same with gravity, it is a force you can actual y “feel it” while god is only imaginary that you can “assume there is” whenever you want.
Tell me why we have roughly 4,200 religions with different ridiculous beliefs around the world? Why? Because god is man-made I can even start my own religion now without basis and there’s no other explanation about it. There’s a definite explanation about gravity while god has 4200 different definitions; so how can you say that your faith is right among the 4200?
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Julio: What real y angers me are muslims like this guy defending Al ah and speaking for him! It is a clear sign of a dysfunctional brain.
Mark H: The dictionary is mostly accurate.
Don A: Wel , one can actual y learn something of value from a dictionary.
Julio: Like somebody already said it here before, Muslims very seldom put out their opinions about Islam. They avoid it for fear of contradicting their masters, those they call scholars. The blind leading the blind in fear of one another. And when their arguments are ridiculed for lack of substance, logic, and intelligence, they resort to insulting and threatening the antagonist. This is the clear modus operandi of these unfortunate souls, prisoners of a bloody dangerous cult from the Dark Ages.
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24 – Will Al ah forgive atheists?
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Roni S: Yes, for he is all forgiving so might as well do whatever.
Julio: Roni S, wel , we hope so, don’t we?... Nobody wants to incur in Al ah’s wrath, after al ...! There is proof for my above post. Look at the floods in Pakistan! Somebody over there must have started the day without shouting al ahuakbar, and Al ah didn’t like it.
Roni S: Julio, I don’t hope for any from him, he is a she anyway.
Olén N: Julio, yes someone who can’t control his emotions can be dangerous. I wonder if they have a prison in heaven for those who can’t control their anger.
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Julio: A muslim acquaintance warned me that Al ah is not happy with atheists!
Helen W: Julio, oh no, you’re joking. I’m terrified now!
Julio: Helen W, nuh, don’t worry, not serious, real y, relax.
Zelda A: Who cares what your imaginary friend thinks.
Rio R: What’s an Al ah?
Julio: Rio R, Didn’t you hear?... The god muslims push & merchandise across the Middle East and beyond...? So, you didn’t know, hence the surprise...?
Phil S: No, since he’s imaginary, he won’t do much of anything.
Julio: Muslims are in their millions applauding Al ah every day, and here you come with that story that he is imaginary?!...
Phil S: Julio, you believe millions of people are wrong. Just ponder whether it might be your millions. Misguided behavior or beliefs don’t make a god real.
Julio: Millions upon millions of atheists reject Al ah, to prove that this god is fake, unproductive, and useless.
Phil S: Julio, seems quite useless.
Kyle K: The punishment for apostasy is death.
Julio: Those who kill apostates are criminals.
Vivian B: A better question is will *I* forgive Al ah for his atrocities and 184
bigotry? Cuz right now the answer is no.
Johannes T: Al ah hates munafiq or pretenders more than those that don’t believe in him.
Julio: Johannes T, disbelieving in Al ah is one of the worst sins in Islam, punished the harshest. That’s why no muslim will ever openly declare his disbelief in Al ah, even though in his heart rejecting the idol. The hierarchy ruling Islam is very violent and unsentimental when it comes to destroying any opposition to Al ah their idol.
Johannes T: Julio, the greatest sin is blesphir, pretenders and disrespect of parents and prophet.
Julio: Johannes T, okay, then I’m half safe! I never disrespected my parents!
Paul E: Does al ah exist?
Julio: He does! Millions of muslims can’t live without him!
Delmar G: Paul E, unfortunately he exists as a parasite in the mind of believers. This is enough to cause the murders some such believers feel compelled to carry out. And fear of Al ah causes them to continue to act like they believe.
Julio: Delmar G, as I say, Islam is a curse in the world, a poisonous tree of toxic fruit for 15 centuries. It will be eliminated one day, simply because islam is full of holes in matters of logic and understanding. You need to be normal in intelligence to see this evil the world has now suffered for so long. I said and reiterate that it is impossible to exist a God that to implement moral reforms would need to apply violence to achieve it. I always quote my most intelligent paragraph on spiritual reality: “Where there is violence there is no divine inspiration!” This means that Islam is not divinely inspired in any way. It is on the contrary a dangerous cult from 185
the Dark Ages that needs to be destroyed! How will Islam be destroyed?
By education - education! - not by lethal weapons. Education! Educate the victims of Islam by demonstrating that it is impossible to exist a superior Deity that could not fix the original problem peaceful y, while the problem was small and easy to fix. Any Almighty God that only arrives on the scene when the problem is almost impossible to resolve but with a lot of violence and evil, that God is the essence of wickedness and darkness. The Al ah Islam projects is that wicked monster, all of it anthropomorphic, man-made, Satan recycled to overpower our freedom to think for ourselves.
Al-Sayed M: God will forgive everyone because god is the forgiveness.
Jameson Z: Al-Sayed M, that’s what you think, otherwise zero evidence of Allah.
Julio: Al-Sayed M, is that the official version or only your private opinion?
Al ah will have to forgive atheists, otherwise he will be in big trouble.
Jed K: No, something called Al ah does not exist in reality, it is an imaginary construct.
Julio: Construct...? Who constructed Al ah, if I may ask?...
Jed K: Julio, yes, Human Construct cooked up by a guy thought to be named Mohammed somebody. He came up with a variation on a theme of the Biblical God Yahweh, another imaginary construct by earlier people of the same Middle East.
Julio: Jed K, do you then mean two constructs for the price of one? Why are these gods constructed in the Middle East, do you know?
Jed K: Julio, no; the same imaginary construct but in different eras, but with a twist of subjective license.
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Ahmad S: Yes if they repent today.
Julio: Is that the Official Version, or only your private opinion?
Ahmad S: Julio, official version.