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Introduction ---- 1
01 – Christians: Why doesn’t God visit hospitals? ---- 3
02 – You can ask me intel igent questions about God [1] ---- 7
03 – You can ask me intel igent questions about God [2] ---- 24
04 – Is Jesus responsible for the crimes committed in his name? ---- 37
05 – Prove that God said “I wrote the Bible!” and win $20 ---- 48
06 – Prove that Jesus is God and win $20 ---- 59
07 – Must I believe that God died for me? ---- 69
08 – What is the craziest story in the Bible? ---- 72
09 – God had to write a book to send me a message?! ---- 78
10 – “Al ah the most merciful!” How true is this? ---- 84
11 – Did you know that the Quran speaks of a geocentric universe? - 89
12 – What do you think about Al ah and Satan? ---- 99
13 – Why is Al ah sending the flood to Pakistan? ---- 108
14 – Why is it necessary to prove God’s existence? ---- 119
15 – Is the Pope proof that God exists? ---- 130
16 – Become a Muslim to believe in FLYING HORSES ---- 137
17 – “READ THE QURAN!” ---- 139
18 – Know how to solve the mystery: all came from nothing? ---- 148
19 – Islam: A religion or a cult? ---- 153
20 – True or false that Al ah gives us the oxygen? ---- 160
21 – Was Jesus a schizophrenic narcissist or worse? ---- 163
22 – Do Muslims real y believe in FLYING HORSES?! ---- 170
23 – What book is better: the Quran or the Dictionary? ---- 176
24 – Will Al ah forgive atheists? ---- 183
25 – What leads a believer to turn atheist? [1] ---- 190
26 – What leads a believer to turn atheist? [2] ---- 198
27 – Why do believers disappoint in moral matters? ---- 204
28 – Bible study: Why did Peter kill Ananias and Sapphira? ---- 207
29 – What about prayers for the MISSING CHILDREN? ---- 211
30 – The Rapture: I bet $20 it will not happen this year! ---- 216
31 – Jesus wants to save you! What do you say to Jesus? ---- 222
32 – Why isn’t Atheism more popular than Religion? ---- 228
33 – Tell us what you think about Al ah ---- 239
34 – Ugly Quran: beat up a woman in bed, surah 4:34 ---- 242
35 – Islam: where women are inferior human beings ---- 251
36 – Was Jesus suicidal? Matthew 20:18 ---- 256
37 – Jesus predicted the rising of Atheism across the world [1] ---- 262
38 – Prove that Jesus was the Saviour and win $20! ---- 269
39 – “Never question what your religion tel s you!” ---- 272
40 – Jesus’ prophecies: which one the biggest flop? ---- 279
41 – Jesus’ “Temptation” the result of cannabis? ---- 283
42 – Jesus predicted the rising of Atheism across the world [2] ---- 286
43 – Is Al ah bipolar in the Quran? ---- 301
44 – Never had any problem with God, none ---- 304
45 – Was God dead for 36 hours? ---- 308
46 – The Rapture: I bet $20 that it will not happen this year! ---- 316
47 – Will answer intel igent questions about God ---- 326
48 – Know the two fundamental lies religion pushes on us? ---- 346
49 – Who is happier: believer or atheist? ---- 349
50 – What makes Religion the evil enterprise that it is? ---- 364
Book dedicated to the intelligent student
This book is a collection of posts, comments and replies from two Facebook religious groups where I took part for a year – 2022.
When possible, texts of posts were edited where grammar, spelling, syntax, or punctuation rendered the meaning of the original confusing.
Many posts were from people with limited knowledge of English. Not all comments on the whole debated topic were included in the book.
Web site links, emojis and other icons were removed from posts.
Uppercase words were sometimes left unedited.
From the first topic, my name Julio Carrancho will be shortened to Julio. The surname of participants is represented by the initial letter.
It is important to read all replies in the context of the OP topic, otherwise it can get confusing once the reader loses track of it.
Although the text was refined and cleared of bad language, there is a great deal of aggression and even rude words throughout it.
The first name mentioned at the beginning of a comment is that of the poster.
Enjoy the reading.
Atheism vs. Theism
1 – Christians: Why doesn’t God visit hospitals?
74 comments
Julio: There are God’s agents unsuccessful y praying for the sick, can you explain why? You, God’s agents, arrive with holy books and old litanies to play pious, but the average result of your intrusion is zero. Can you explain why?
Mark J: He hates the handicapped says in the Bible they won’t make it to heaven.
Julio: Mark J, lol, is that so?
James K: Julio, yes it is. He also says they (the blind, deaf, mute, lame, hunchback, crushed testicles, etc) are not welcome at the altar because they’re impure... Yet it clearly states in the book of Exodus & Job that he deliberately created them that way.
Julio: James K, it’s a bad God through and through, lol! Bad bloody God!
lol.
James K: Julio you bet. Unfortunately, I personal y know people who’d be shown such a Bible verse, but still vehemently defend this god’s actions!!
Julio: James K, the worst is the victims supporting this bad God with their money … and the worst of worst evil is God remorselessly accepting the cash.
James K: Julio exactly! Paying money to Churches ought to be evidence that prayer doesn’t work.
Julio: Jokes aside, it is real, palpable, empirical y demonstrable that no God visits hospitals! His agents do arrive to pray for the sick and hurt, for children in great distress, but the results of God healing anybody in hospitals is so far - after 200 years of hospitals - still a big zero. The answer seems to be that God hates hospitals and hates to see the suffering going on in there, so he sends his agents with holy books and litanies to play piously. Yes, because in matters of real help, those agents have a visible record of zero results. They do visit hospitals every time to play pious, godly, and saints, but it would be better to block them from visiting. If I was in charge of a hospital, I would tell security to chase God’s agents away. These agents are by principle and norm disguised hypocrites, with nothing to offer besides their ridiculous prayers. I’ve heard some of those prayers:
[1] “Father-in-heaven, we pray in Jesus’ name that you heal our brother Julio, and return him in perfect health to his beloved family, in Jesus’
name, amen!” I never told them that I was their brother, first of all!!
[2] “Dear Father in Heaven, in the name of Jesus we pray for Mary, here next to Julio’s bed, for her quick healing, and bless the doctors looking after her after they amputate her left leg, in Jesus’ holy name, amen!”
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Alexander W: I guess reason number one is that God is supposed to be nice.
John T: Alexander W, if he was real and according to you he can do whatever because he loves you then doing nothing is immoral. The question should be, why is he not helping, if he is real?
Katy C: He didn’t sign a contract with the Make a Wish Foundation.
Jazdara D: It will ruin the system if he does as there would be no more medical explorations.
Viktor A: Can you find hospitals in tribal societies?
Julio: Israel had 12 tribes; very tribal, but no hospitals. When you were sick they killed a goat and dropped blood on your forehead. Jehovah didn’t know what a hospital was, haha.
Derek F: He did create the doctors.
Ben H: Derek F, nope. Who exactly told you that? You can thank science for that.
DeCarlos A: How did my aunt get through her surgery? The same reason children are starving, he IS in the hospital, busy, taking care of my aunt.
DeCarlos A: You mean the doctors, not god.
DeCarlos A: Ben H, didn’t some goofball say: wel , god made the doctors instead of not afflicting people with disease in the first place, because god can’t forgive man, but expects man to.....geezus, I think you know the loop I’m talking about.
Julio: DeCarlos A, it’s sad to hear Christians protecting a cruel almighty!
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I guess the answer is: because God is busy playing cards with Al ah, Holy Ghost, Christ and the Virgin Mary. No disposition to get involved in serious stuff, sorry. Or perhaps, God looks at us and finds us worthless to him. I would say that is his main reason for not visiting hospitals.
Donald D: Because god is non-existent. The word god is just a concept.
Evang M: He is there with the Doctors and Nurses including the patient, if we are not healed or delivered here on Earth we will be definitely healed in Heaven when we assume our true form, after all Heaven is not a bad place but our eternal home, it all depends on how you rationalize it. Doctors and Nurses are blessed with the gift of wisdom and knowledgeable mindset to solve health related issues, it’s still part of God’s ways of bringing healing outside divine healing. It depends on how you rationalize and understand it; medical professionals will tell you “Doctors treat, but God heals.”
Julio: Evang M, I actual y asked God about that, and he said that you were exaggerating; said not to believe all you say; he was a bit aggravated with your story, and said that you do not represent him or speak for him. He told me to tell you to repent from your exaggerations or else.
Evang M: Julio, that can be the atheistic God, he is egoistic and lacks intellectual conviction.
Julio: Evang M, if your God doesn’t answer prayers to find the missing children, how can he answer to fix your kidneys?…Evang, don’t be stupid playing God’s agent; you will be caught very quickly.
Barbara L: Evang M, what about nurses and doctors who are atheists and believe that science not prayer is what cures the sick?
Julio: Barbara L, brilliant point.
Evang M: Barbara L, well that’s their own wishful thinking, it doesn’t 6
change anything.
Barbara L: Evang M, then why go to the doctor at all? Just go to church when you get sick to be cured.
Evang M: Barbara L, Aren’t there Christian doctors? Listen, most of the scientists, mostly the early scientists, were Christian’s. God blessed us with science to discover, explain and describe our world and physical realities, but faith is just for Spiritual approach to the metaphysical and Divine realm of our being; we are blessed with faith and reason, fides et ratio.
Morwa M: I’m not a Christian but this is a stupid question to post! It implies that Julio knows who God is.
Julio: Morwa M, show me one of your posts, to see if you post anything better…
Candace M: Why doesn’t he visit churches?
Julio: Candace M, because that is the Devil’s duty. Some here say that God accompanies the victim of a car crash to the hospital for moral support.
If the injured sees God that will cause some altercation! “Who needs you now, oh Almighty! What were you doing to save me from the accident in the first place! Now I don’t need your help, you are excused, good night!”
Greg S: to appear in a burned toast is far easier.
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2 – You can ask me intel igent questions about God [1]
Greg M: And you can ask me intelligent questions about Tinkerbel .
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Julio: Greg M, that comment did not register as an intelligent question about God, please try again.
Greg M: Julio, you’re asking me to ask an intelligent question about something that’s not intelligent.
Julio: Greg M, wel , ask an intelligent question about God and let us see how I answer it; but don’t post bad posts like that one, or you will be blocked.
Greg M: Julio, go for it, but you are breaking the rules of this group. To an atheist God is a dumb question.
James C: were there a god of any kind whatsoever, why would I bother asking you anything about it?
Julio: James C, that comment did not register as an intelligent question about God, please try again.
James C: Julio, yeah... that’s what I thought. Case and point. Thanks for playing!
Avery C: Why should anyone think you have knowledge about a god should one exist?
Julio: Avery C, that comment did not register as an intelligent question about God, please try again.
Avery C: Julio, as you offer nothing to show you are qualified to answer any questions about a god, I see no reason to ask you about one should one exist.
Terry L: Can your god manifest in our shared reality? if so provide the evidence. If not, then how did you determine that your god exists in our 8
shared reality... otherwise, you are just another theist trol ...
Julio: Terry L, where did I say that I have a god?... And what is this you call “shared reality”?… And if you call me a troll again I will block you remorselessly!
Terry L: Julio, so, what’s the point of your post? How can you answer questions about a god if you don’t know a god? Is your god so weak that he can’t answer for himself? Why does this god have a puny human, like you, speak on his behalf? Why doesn’t your god just reveal himself, instead of all the cryptic signs? Show me your god. Otherwise, if you can’t produce a god, why should I believe you know anything about a god?
David P: Mindless matter cannot know intelligence.
Julio: David P, what do you mean...?
David P: Julio without a Creator, everything was a result of mindless matter in motion.
Mike S: Any gods or just a certain subset in particular?
Julio: Mike S, I already stated several times that I mean all “personal gods”. It is evident that you didn’t read other comments.
Brant P: Why would anyone believe something that has never been detected, demonstrated or proven to exist it’s only always been believed asserted and argued fal aciously that it is?
Julio: Brant P, yes, I understand your point, but that is not an intelligent question about God.
Brant P: Julio, I don’t know why you’re not real y getting this. Maybe it’s a language issue but I asked essential y why would somebody believe something that’s never been demonstrated or proven or detected? It’s only 9
been asserted that it’s real. Do you get it now?
John D: Brant P, because the Jesus covenant isn’t a walk by natural senses.
Scott C: Which god is the real one and why?
Julio: Do you believe in real Gods...? Which one is your God?
Scott C: Julio, I asked you.
Julio: Scott C, I already stated several times that all gods are anthropomorphic creations. It is evident that you didn’t read other comments.
Scott C: Julio no, I don’t spend time reading everything you post on the Internet. But you actual y didn’t answer my question. Which god is the real one?
Al an A: Does god scratch his bal s?
Julio: Al an A, that is a rude, absurd and unnecessary question, not at all intelligent. Don’t ask another one of that inferior quality, or I will block you out of this august debate.
Al an A: Julio then block me if you can’t answer that. You can’t just assume that everyone takes the word god seriously. Come on, block me and stay cowardly.
Julio: Al an A, blocking you for rudeness & stupidity, good night.
John C: What evidence convinced you that your god actual y exists?
Julio: John C, where did I say that I have a god...?
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John C: Julio how are you answering questions about other people’s god beliefs?
Nick S: Impossible.
Glen B: Why is your god such an idiot, he can see the future supposedly but still does stupid shit like drowning everyone but 8 people, he fucks up even though he knows the outcome, he’s an idiot why?
Julio: Glen B, that is a rude post, not allowed around this forum. I never said that I have a god. So, apologise for being rude, or I will block you.
Glen B: Just answer the question, you wanted questions, so now answer wtf.
Kearsten I: What’s an intelligent question about god? There’s mine.
Julio: Kearsten I, haha, wel , that didn’t register as an intelligent question about God.
David L: Kearsten I, I think that went over his head, even though it was the very question he asked. Pff
Devon Hardy: If god is all powerful, and he can do anything, then can he make a boulder so heavy he can’t lift it?
Julio: Devon H, that’s the baloney we hear all the time. Heard that one three hundred times already, haha! A real Super Almighty would not bother with that proposition because there would be no need to prove anything. But since there is no Almighty, the question is not intelligent.
Chandran R: Was Lord Krishna right in the episode of karnas death?
Julio: Chandran R, no.
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Chandran R: Julio why not?
Julio: Because he was no Lord or anything, except a liar and a thief, like all “Lords”.
Paul Q: Okay, so since today is named in honour of the god Woden, can you explain to me what happens to all the lost souls who did not know Woden on His day in life, Julio?
Julio: Paul Q, good question. All gods are anthropomorphic in nature, so, natural y, that god you admire is nothing but an idol cast from recycled plastic.
Paul Q: You do know that today is Woden’s Day, Julio? Or do you call it something else?
Julio: Paul Q, haha, every week has one.
Paul Q: Happy Thor’s day, Julio.
Brian B: What’s her star sign?
Kevin T: What is God?
Julio: Kevin T, an anthropomorphic creation.
Brucewayne O: If we ask intelligent questions about your god, you will cry, lie and try to wiggle your words to fit your narrative. That is purely a christian thing.
Julio: Brucewayne O, can you at least try an intelligent question?
Brucewayne O: Julio, I don’t think intelligence and religion go hand in 12
hand.
John T: Julio, okay, I bite. Why is your god not protecting his own followers, and why is he so discriminating towards his own followers?
Julio: John T, that didn’t register as an intelligent question about “your god”; I never said anywhere that I had a god. Try again.
Greg B: Define your god. All the descriptors you know.
Julio: Greg B, I already posted about that.
Ryan D: If god is so great then why doesn’t he exist?
Julio: Ryan D, haha, good one! As I already said hundreds of times around here: all gods are nothing but man-made, human-like anthropomorphic tribal idols.
Candace M: Evidence of its existence?
Julio: Candace M, all Gods are anthropomorphic creations, human-like tribal idols. How many more times do I have to repeat myself?
It is obvious that you didn’t read any comments around here, am I wrong?
Candace M: Julio you have yet to provide any actual evidence. Please do so.
Julio: Candace, did you read my reply to your short question?
Benjamin D: I sure can. But it’s doubtful whether you can give intelligent responses.
Julio: Benjamin D, let us see if you can ask an intelligent question about God.
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Benjamin D: Reading your comments, you are not intellectual y qualified to judge whether I ask intelligent questions.
Julio: Benjamin D ... but don’t you want to try one to see if I can help you or not? Otherwise, you open the same topic and let us compare your answers to see if you are better.
Benjamin D: Julio, you’re not a theist. Every question you’ve been given in this thread is responded to with the equivalent of “Go ask a theist.” I have no clue why you wrote the thread.
David L: That made no sense.
Julio: David L, why not...?
David L: Julio gods are concepts. Where is intelligence incorporated beyond the concept we know as “gods” and the attributes we gave that word? In other words, your ignorance is god beyond the concept. So speaking intellectual y on the concept is all there is by any objective standard. You think you know something beyond the concept any of us can google?
Gregor Stopovich: How tall is Odin?
Julio: Gregor S, not an intelligent question about God.
Gregor S: Julio Okay. Then how about, “Where does Odin live?” Believing in gods is not about intelligence…it is about gullibility.
Marlene H: Psalm73
Julio: Marlene H, that is a bad post. I do not endorse the Psalms. I don’t believe you learn anything admirable from that old poetry. One day I will 14
tell you why. Do not post any more rubbish like that or I will block you out of this august debate.
Foutu G: What is the reason that pushed many different human societies to feel the need to make up a god? There definitely is a need that the belief in a god fulfil s. I’d even say many needs. It gave people easy answers to hard questions. One of the most important of them being death.
Julio: Foutu G, sorry, but your question didn’t register as an intelligent one about God; please, try again, thanks.
Raylene H: If god is omnipotent (has unlimited power), omnipresent (is everywhere), omniscient (knows everything), how can “free wil ” exist, since god “controls” everything?
Julio: Raylene H, intelligent students do not accept that such an almighty exists. Also, “free wil ” is only a philosophical assumption. It is an observable fact that you can choose, but you cannot choose the results of your choice. So, somehow, we are prisoners of a sinister incarceration we cannot escape except by death.
Raylene H: Julio, that seems reasonable to reasonable people. I think you mistook my comment for me being a theist. I am not...
Richard Rawlings: I would like to ask you the question face to face but I’m not willing to stick my head up your rectum to make it happen, so when you come out for air, let me know.
Julio: Richard R, that is a bad post, and for that I’m blocking you for stupidity and rudeness, good night.
Lonnie D: Does your god like sex?
Julio: Lonnie D, that was a bad post. For that, I’m blocking you for 15
stupidity & rudeness, good night.
Noah C: I’m not sure this is an intelligent question but I’ve always wondered so the Bible recognized other gods even the 10 commandants had to pencil that in to make sure people didn’t worship other gods my question is where did those gods come from and how do we know the god in the Bible created everything if those other gods are much much older?
Julio: Noah C, good question, intelligent indeed. All intelligent students know that Moses is the creator of his tribal god he called Yahweh, Jehovah, YHWH, etc. The “other gods” were also tribal idols other tribes sacrificed to. Now, this reveals that all the popular gods in the Middle East in those retrograde and primitive days were nothing but a sinister collection of violent anthropomorphic idols. Moses, for his part, was a violent terrorist implanting terror upon the slaves of Egypt for his own violent plans to rob and destroy Egypt, a plan that failed. Real history scholars do not recognise the existence of this cruel terrorist the Christians call the prototype of Christ the liberator. In other words, Moses and the story called the Exodus of the “Chosen People” for the “Promised Land” never existed. The entire choreography is a forgery, and consequently, the whole story that Jesus is the Saviour of the Jews [or the world] is a hoax, a lie, a blunder, false, and irresponsible.
Rommel R: Why would a god test humans when he already knows the outcome... or why would he let other humans be born even though he knows they will sin eventual y and go to hel ...?
Julio: Rommel R, good, intelligent question. All the gods religion pushes are anthropomorphic beasts, human-like, man-made, inferior products, cast in recycled plastic, worthless.
John D: Rommel R, going to hell is not the purpose of testing. The purpose of testing is to make ya stronger if ya pass, but that’s not the problem here, 16
the problem is once again, that nefarious doctrine of catholic hel . Solve that, expose hell for the lie that it is, and then you won’t be so bothered by the final outcome... second death - only other option when eternal life is the potential outcome.
Jimmy R: Why does god need you to answer questions for him?
Julio: Jimmy R, that is a grey question, one with little logic, but not intelligent enough to register on the scale. In the meantime, where did I ever say that I was answering questions for God?
Jimmy R: Julio “where did I ever say that I was answering questions for God”.“You can ask me intelligent questions about God” … You. Julio, if you are taking questions for/about God, then you are answering questions for god.
Shady M: When god said “let there be light”, which language did he use.?
Mike M: Shady M, when he said “let there be light” where did that light come from, since he didn’t create the sun until day 4?
Craig M: You would first have to define what you mean by “God” before any reasonable or “intelligent” question could be asked about said “God”
- not to mention first satisfying the criteria of existence.
Tom P: Craig M, if you can’t see it, it does not exist.
Craig M: Tom P, there are plenty of things that exist of which we can’t ordinarily see. I’m talking about objective evidence being the criteria of existence.
Tom P: Craig M, at one point in history all the things that you can’t see did not exist.
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Craig M: Tom P, no, they did exist. We just didn’t have the correct or evidentiary support for them. That’s why people invented Gods; to explain what they currently couldn’t. Or blamed a rival tribe for poisoning the water or food, or they had been cursed, etc, etc, ad nauseam...
Tom P: Craig M, if you can’t see it, it doesn’t exist. You can’t find proof so you think like a caveman- it cannot exist.
Craig M: Tom P, Wow! Do you understand how absurd that sounds? Did you even read what I wrote, or are you just being deliberately ignorant and dishonest? At no point did I state or claim that: if you cannot see it, it doesn’t exist. You made that statement. What a poor attempt at a strawman you tried there. I’ve already stated, we have plenty of things that exist that we cannot see, but can prove to exist. Please demonstrate the same for your God. And, if there isn’t proof for something’s existence, it likely doesn’t exist, or we have zero knowledge of it, yet. Either way, it is currently indistinguishable from that which doesn’t exist and shouldn’t be given any credence until such a time as evidence/data presents itself.
By your logic, one should accept unfalsifiable claims, by default. That’s not how the real world works, nor how scientists in the field deal with claims and new data. Moreover, nor is it how one proves the existence of something. I can see you don’t operate with a rational or scientific mindset, so I’m going to wish you luck with your less than sil y attempt at apologetic argumentation. I was mistaken in thinking you wanted an adult conversation. Adios.
Tom P: Craig M, if you can’t see it, Atheists believe that it does not exist.
Craig M: Tom P Another strawman. I know of no atheist who would make such a sil y claim. Please, stop. I’m starting to get embarrassed for you. Again, I wish you luck. I won’t be responding to any further of your dishonesty.
Julio: Craig M, I have already answered that question a hundred times, 18
here about any “Personal God” out there, in the list of Gods pushed and sold around our suburbs and towns.
Craig M: Julio What is a “personal God”? I don’t live around your “suburbs and towns.” If you can’t define it, then we are done here.
Julio: Craig M, man, a “personal God” is the God pushed and sold in churches, mosques, and synagogues. The God they give their money to.
The religious curio they say they have a personal relationship with. All gods of that type are the anthropomorphic “personal gods” they threaten you with.
Craig M: Julio wel , in that case, those God(s) are nonsense. Not a single shred of evidence for their existence. There is no “intelligent question” to ask about a God(s) such as that. I see you still struggled to define it. You must not believe it exists, too.
Tom P: Craig M, read the posts. Atheists always ask for proof.
Craig M: Tom P, asking for someone to uphold their burden of proof when making a claim is how claims are proved. In fact, your Justice system is predicated upon such logic, for example. That is very different from the strawman you tried to tout. This is the real world, not fantasyland. Are you suggesting people believe claims without proof?
Susan L: Please don’t use the words intelligent and god in the same sentence. Thanks.
Raymond S: OK Julio. So as per Genesis and Adam and Eve and the apple eating, then enter “sin” and “the fal ” etc. Part of this is that when people talk about disease and illness, said narrative says it’s because of the fall that disease and illness or biological defects etc exist. But... we see there is fossil evidence of pathogens and viruses, etc, from 100’s of millions of years ago in the dino ages. This was going on before humans even existed.
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Before this present epoch. Heck even cancer is older than humans. See the problem? Why does religion imply there is a point where disease etc happens after “the fal ”(a few 1000yrs ago) when that is patently false?
Julio: Raymond S, I agree with you, but where is your intelligent question about God?
Raymond S: Julio huh? The god is involved in said Genesis narrative, yes?
Then the narrative itself is very false as I’ve shown. I’m showing falsities in said narrative hence the book is false hence the god is false.
Clayton P: Why do you feel qualified to answer questions about a god?
Julio: Sorry, but that didn’t register as an intelligent question about God.
Please try again.
Clayton P: Julio LOL I’ll just assume you have no qualifications. Ok Julio, is it because of your desire to be a slave that you believe that there is a god??
Julio: Clayton, point out a paragraph where I ever presented a God to you.
Eric H: Which one?
Julio: Eric H, have already answered that a hundred times: any “personal God” of the collection. Yours is also included, if you admire any.
Mike M: How did God create light on day one, and the sun on day 4? Did he have a high powered flashlight?
Julio: Mike M, wel , that’s a good question, actual y. The answer is that Genesis is a tale with no scientific facts. No God ever created any light. If you took the story literal y, then the Elohim - the gods [plural] mentioned in the first verse - had lived half an eternity in utter darkness, with no 20
eyes. The story is simply stupid. They also had to create their eyes to see the light and then exclaim that it was good. The epic of Creation is absurd, a forgery or worse.
Mike M: Julio, I realize that, one of the hundreds of logical fal acies easily debunked from the Bible.
Julio: Mike M, I am a literalist in matters of Bible interpretation. I was in my third year of Bible school when I suddenly understood that my teachers had different “private interpretations” of the Bible, some passages literal, some figurative or allegories, and they often contradicted one another. I decided that I will interpret the Bible my way, too. And that is how I do it to discredit the whole story. Thank my dishonest teachers for the good lesson they gave me.
Joseph H: Why should I believe a god exists?
Julio: Joseph H, good question. Until God himself/herself/itself asks you to believe, no need to believe any God.
Joseph H: Julio, and how do you distinguish that from imagination/
hal ucination?
Wayne S: I am not sure anyone actual y can? “God” is so ill defined and bordering on incoherent.
Kathy B: Why bother?
Julio: Kathy B, can you at least try...?
Kathy B: Julio for what?
Joe M: Why is the Abrahamic god character written to be such an asshole?
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Julio: Joe M, good question. Abraham is a mythological figure, and his tribal god El the idol he feared. Abraham was a hashish smoker and had his head full of hal ucinations to the point of seeing El asking him to murder his son to prove his faith. Please, do not attach any moral value to that deranged patriarch, the founder of the three most violent religions on Earth.
Steve M: Why is it a psychopath?
Julio: Steve M, good question. God is a psychopath because God is an anthropomorphic beast made in the image and likeness of its creators, the religiously deranged fanatics. Do not give your money to any God, bottom line.
Mickie D: Guaranteed that this poster used ‘intelligent questions’ criteria to dismiss what he didn’t want to address.
Julio: Mickie D, not, real y. I only reply if the question is an intelligent one. Why don’t you try challenging me?
Mickie D: Julio, you just affirmed what I said. Thanks.
Julio: Mickie D, You’re welcome.
Stevie J: Why do almost all believers think the so-called “god” is a man?
“The Australian aborigines knew that God was female long before written language, And they have proof! She was dancing in heaven with her girlfriend, and her butt hit her baby rocker, knocking it over. The baby fell to the earth, exploded here, causing all things alive to form!
Julio: Stevie J, good question. In biblical times, God was male, Satan was male, angels were male. Moses said that he saw God from behind, and he was male. Women were inferior beings, therefore no God could be female.
Criminal y, the Bible is a misogynistic story that should be labeled so by 22
the UN. The Quran is even worse than the Bible.
Vbr M: You are not intelligent if you believe in god.
Julio: Hi, Vbr, how’s it? No, I am very intelligent, IQ 139.
Vbr M: Julio. You see? You even believe that you are real y intelligent.
Good luck.
Julio: Thanks. I said I am very intelligent and I mean it. And humble, too, proudly.
Eric M: Why does your god not exist in any detectable way? Why is your circular book the only evidence that it might exist?
Julio: Eric M, want me to resent your questions?... Did I ever tell you about “my god” or my “circular book”...?
Eric M: Julio, I couldn’t care less if you do “resent” it. You’re a theist, so answer the question.
Julio: Eric M, it is patent that you didn’t read the rest of this post, lol. Had you read other comments you would have your questions answered and would not worry about it.
Eric M: Julio why would I? Put it all in the green part.
Julio: Eric M, haha, win $20 if you find me declaring that I support a God.
Eric M: Julio, then put it in your op. Like now. As an edit.
Margaret A: Which God? I assume you mean the biblical god, but what evidence is there to show that this is more likely than any other?
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Julio: One interesting question would be why is God not interested in me or you?
Mike D: Julio, how is that interesting if it is an assumption based on an imaginary construct?
Steve V: Why did god create gay people if he hates gay people?
Julio: Steve V, are you gay? And where did you get the idea that some God hates gay people?
Steve V: Julio, Christians told me.
Faith F: Julio, I think I read something in the Bible about being an abomination. That sounds kind of hateful.
Steve V: Julio are you an indecent gay?
Brandon A: Julio, the question wasn’t if gay people were decent or not decent. The question is why does God create gay people, if he hates gay people according to the Bible? And if you need an example, the story of the destruction of Sodom is a good place to start.
David F: Julio, do you even read the Bible?
Ntsako M: God says knowledge is the enemy of faith. What’s the purpose of education since that belief is the only way?
Jameson Z: Ntsako M, it’s a concept invented by religious leaders to limit 24
the thinking of their followers thereby increasing money on the plates.
Julio: Jameson Z, good answer.
Ntsako M: Jameson Z, so in terms of education we are being brainwashed from having true faith and belief?
Julio: Ntsako M, you tell me. What is true faith and true belief for you?
Ntsako M: True belief is what you’ve seen helping you mostly through sickness or any terms of being in need and not only once, but repeatedly.
Then faith, I think, is when you have courage to serve what real y helps you and always there for you and know of it Peter N: Why do some intelligent people believe in religious nonsense?
Julio: Peter N, some of those intelligent people are not that intelligent. But that didn’t register as an intelligent question about God.
Please, try again.
Peter N: Julio it was a test question, and you passed. In regards to most gods, they are all provable hoaxes, so there are no intelligent questions to ask.
Julio: Peter N, okay, you passed with minimum marks, no hard feelings.
Steve V: Peter N, they aren’t intelligent.
Simon C: Is it true that the word “god” backwards, is dog?
Julio: Simon C, that didn’t register as an intelligent question about God.
Simon C: Julio, I strongly disagree! My question was logical y sound, and even reached its own conclusion! Meanwhile, there’s you, who won’t even 25
answer my question!!!
Bil y K: Simon C, ha! This god spelled backwards is indeed dog ie god is dog shit.
Jeff A: Which god???
Julio: Jeff A, any “Personal God”.
Jeff A: Julio, so like Dave?
Julio: Jeff A, I don’t believe that there is a God called Dave... [!]
Jeff A: Julio, you said “any” personal god.
Julio: Jeff A, OK, good point, haha!
Phillip T: Can there be intelligent questions or answers about things which are not coherently or consistently defined?
Brent T: God is supposed to be a word with a capital letter, but I will answer, nevertheless. No “Personal God” exists, simply because all such Gods are anthropomorphic in nature.
Dino W: Everybody around this forum knows that God was not made, was he? Wel , so where did he come from?
Brent T: Why did god commit mass genocide?
Julio: Brent T, where did “god” - small g - commit genocide...?
Simon A: Any question would be hypothetical.
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Julio: Simon A, I would say so, too.
Janis A: Do you have a good reason for believing?
Julio: Janis A, that didn’t register as an intelligent question about God; we’re talking about God, not about what I believe, sorry.
Janis A: Julio, If you want me to even consider the possibility of a god, you better have a good reason. If not, you are talking out of your ass about something you have no idea about.
James M: Julio, Okay, I have one. Can you provide any valid evidence that your god exists?
Julio: James M, nuh, none; I did not say that I had one God.
Larz L: What is god?
Dick W: Larz L, God is everything; everything is God.
Julio: Dick W, I would say that your definition is wrong; “Everything” is
“Nothing” - as gnostics of old taught.
Julio: Larz L, God has several meanings. One is that he is the Super Almighty the Creator of the Visible, Invisible, and in between universes, etc.
Dick W: Julio, please define God to the best of your understanding and I will do the same if they are different.
Julio: Dick W, okay. All “personal” gods are anthropomorphic in nature, made in the image and likeness of their human creators. All are very bloody and violent, hence human-like.
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Dick W: Julio, honestly I don’t think I’ll ever understand God .
Julio:Dick W, wel , because it is vacuum, inexistent, unfathomable.
Dick W: Julio what if it’s not? What if it’s just that you are the universe experiencing itself, take some time let that sink in. Anything we say about God or the existence of it is just the self trying to calm itself down or satisfy oneself.
Helen W: None of the questions are being answered real y, so I don’t think I will bother.
Julio: Helen W, why don’t you try an intelligent question yourself, maybe yours will be the one all will admire.
Roni S: How about you just comment on other people’s posts?
Greg S: What are it’s properties, how does it interact with reality and how is it measured?
Julio: Greg S, good question. Wel , the popular Gods pushed and sold in our suburbs are all made of cheap recycled plastic, worthless.
They are inert, deaf, dumb, and static.
Greg S: Julio, as are all gods…
Steve L: What accent does god have? Or doesn’t he speak to anyone?
Julio: Steve L, does that comment register as an intelligent question about God?
Steve L: Julio, I think on the surface it looks a bit facetious on the surface but with many that claim to speak to god it actual y can reveal some uncomfortable truths for some theists. So yes, I believe if answered 28
honestly it could be a more intelligent question than many would give it credit.
Leon R: Which god?
Julio: Leon R, already answered that question earlier on.
Leon R: Julio, and instead of doing it again, you wrote a comment prompting me to ask you to answer it again, because it’s absolutely significantly easier for you to answer a question twice than it is for anyone to search all the comments for your previous answer.
Julio: Leon R, good point; apologies. Any “Personal God” out there.
Leon R: Julio, what makes you qualified to answer questions about personal gods?
Julio: Leon R, it is a matter of asking an intelligent question to know if one qualifies to answer it or not. You can try one.
Leon R: Julio, I just asked one, and you dodged it. I don’t think you’re qualified to answer any questions, real y.
Rico S: And you can feel free to make up the answers.
Julio: Rico S, that comment didn’t register as an intelligent question about God.
Rico S: Julio, methinks thou do protest too much.
Terry P: Are you a god expert who specializes in god?
Julio: Terry P, no, never said anything like that. Only asked you to ask an intelligent question about God. Would you try one?
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Terry P: Julio, hmmm.. I was going to, but I don’t take orders from obnoxious strangers.
Mark M: There is no such question.
Julio: Mark M, you don’t want to try one?
Mark M: Julio, how could I try one, if there aren’t any?
Douglas A: Why is God a jealous god?
Julio: Douglas A, that particular God was the tribal idol Moses created in his image and likeness.
Eric C: My favorite god is Xipe, the Aztec god of war and agriculture.
Please tell us all about him, your brainfulness.
Julio: Eric C, all gods, including your favorite one, are anthropomorphic creations.
Em D: What are the 3 most intelligent questions about God?
Julio: Em D, around here, so far, none qualifies. You can try one.
Em D: Julio, that was my question to you. What are the 3 most intelligent questions about God?
Lee A: What business god has to do with humans, does anything matter?
Julio:Lee A, no, nothing matters.
Gaz H: What is the point of being god? What are his aims? Has he bothered creating intelligent life anywhere except earth? If he had, surely 30
with all the people he had spoken to he might have mentioned it?
Were we the first?
Julio: Gaz H, the Creation Story is a fictional tale; you don’t have to believe it.
Dave O: Julio, how can a person new to religion determine what is fictional and what is factual?
Gaz H: Julio ah yep you’ve got me, you didn’t promise intelligent answers.
Joseph N: Why doesn’t this god heal amputees?
Julio: Joseph N, simply because he heals nobody, by principle.
Steve N: Peter D, ur right tho. He didn’t heal everybody. so there must have been a lot of jealous mfrs feeling left out. I’ve recently been healed from a serious affliction. I give credit to a new med. However, my 1 room mate, who is a very serious theist, says that Jesus healed me to answer her prayers. Maybe so. But I can tell u, she’s jealous that her god healed an atheist and not her.
Peter D: Steve N, I’m glad to hear you recovered. Medical Science is a wonderful achievement. I wouldn’t expect you necessarily to believe it was prayer that aided your healing. I can’t explain how or whether prayer
‘works’. It is after all simply talking to God and asking for things which He may or may not grant according to His plan of what is best for us meaning that some are healed and some not. This leaves it wide open to the usual sceptical remarks about the efficacy of prayer. Ultimately there is little difference since ultimately we all die and the important thing is whether we have put our trust in God no matter what.
Julio: Peter D, that’s lot of hogwash and crap about prayer and God; and something that clearly aggravates me, is when somebody arrives here to 31
speak for God or some God! You do not represent any God, and all you say is parroting shit you heard from another victim of religion, get lost!
Steve N: Peter D, sooooo, ur God gave me this affliction 2 years ago, and now he heals me? What sense does that make?
Peter D: Steve N, the Bible would suggest that since our relationship with God was broken, the order and balance on Earth was affected ( you only have to look at what has been done by the most widespread and intelligent of its creatures). As I understand it, this breakdown would account for the less than perfect state of nature where normal y beneficial (most are) bacteria mutate into pathogens and our own body systems age and break down. This is all conjecture on my part. So I wouldn’t suggest that God made you sick but He may have allowed it so you would think about what’s important (?)
Julio: Peter D, if you post more of this crap, I shall surely block you out of this august debate, I swear! Are you stupid or what?! Steve asked you a very intelligent question, so don’t arrive here to protect your God! I hate any God that needs you to protect him, get lost, man!
Dennis B: Joseph N, there is no such thing as an intelligent question about God. Why would I ask a question of something that never existed in the first place?
Joseph N: If this god knows everything, this god knows all that there was, is, and to be. So we have no free will if this god already knows what’s going to happen to us. Our actions mean nothing.
Julio: Joseph N, yes, it would be so, but that is not an intelligent question about God, is it?
Bo A: Any “personal God”. Do you admire any God as your personal preference?
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Gabby L: Sil y me for expecting intelligent responses. But I guess that isn’t part of the op.
Julio: You can try and ask an intelligent question.
Gabby L: Julio, yeah, I give up easily. After reading all the rest I’m just going to assume it will be similar.
Joseph N: Define intelligent and define god.
Rich C: Oh, oh oh. I have a question. How do you know anything about
“God”? And why don’t you just let said God speak for him/herself?
Julio: Rich C, hey, apologies for not seeing your interesting question before. I never said that I knew everything about God, did I...? What “said God” are you referring to...? Gods never speak for themselves; haven’t heard of any. All I can tell you is to reply to an intelligent question you post. Try one, because those three you posted are below par, I lament...
Rich C: You didn’t answer, because I don’t think you can. Again I ask,
“What makes you think you can know anything about what God is, does, or has done? Do you think you have some special insight that the rest of us don’t? OK, I have a question about God and the Bible. Does God ever wear clothing of mixed fabric? You think my post is ridiculous? OK.
I think the premise that any human can tell other humans what a God wants or thinks is pathetic ego.
Michael A: Will you read a 5-chapter religious presentation centered on lack of belief in Christianity? It has many questions and I’d love to discuss them with you. But I live in a world where people hate to read and simply ignore my work and proceed to say that atheists never have any good arguments.
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John C: If God is all powerful and wants us to know of its existence, why don’t we all know?
Elias L: What makes you the spokesperson of gods?
Julio: Elias L, hey, where did I ever say that I speak for God?!...
Joseph N: I believe that this may be one of those “I’m clever” posts with the point being “There are no intelligent questions about God”. Yawn.
Boring!..and stupid.
Hans-Richard G: About which God? There are several competitors for that job.
Liàng P: The concept of the Trinity is specifical y a Christian theology from the New Testament, right?
Wes C: OK. Have you ever seen him/her physical y in the flesh? What did he look like? Have you had an actual verbal conversation with him...no prayer or voices in your head?
Ian P: Would I be asking a theist or an atheist?
Moses J: How can humans feel arrogant enough to speak 4 god?
Julio: Moses J, tell me, who is speaking for God here? Not me.
Moses J: Julio lies!
Phillip C: How can you say the Bible is correct when the only thing verifying that is also the Bible? Circular reasoning isn’t valid in debates and there’s still no solid historical record Jesus even existed. What solid evidence can you show to validate the foundation of your argument?
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Jenny B: What do u know about him? The evil god of the Bible, if he existed, is a psychopathic, genocidal, murderous, wicked, jealous, selfish, homophobic, misogynistic b#stard who condones keeping slaves and beating them, commands killing your disobedient kids and selling your daughter’s to rapists. Plus stoning ppl for even wrong thoughts or possibly not being a virgin. Why do u worship that? Seriously. Intelligent, logical question. It’s all there in your book that’s the literal word of God who killed millions of ppl plus animals, (Inc the flood). I’m genuinely interested in why theists worship him and want to be in heaven with him?
Ray G: Why are all gods and religions worldwide magnets for pedophilia if true?
Peter G: What is intelligent about belief in a god ?
Julio Peter G, that’s a grey question, not real y about God, please try again.
Kenneth D: There are many gods, which one do you speak of? I’m only assuming you are speaking of the Christian god because the g in god is capital so these are my questions that concern the Christian god. An all loving father that sends his children to hell for not believing in him? An infallible Bible that has contradictions on every page (not a question, just a statement). What age was Mary when god impregnated her? Was Jesus dark skinned? Jesus is god (in human form) lead by god (in spirit form) to sacrifice himself (in human form) to god (in god form) for the people that don’t believe in him (in human form) as the one true son of the one true god (in god form) just so god (in god form) can send them to hell anyway for not believing, is this right or wrong?
Julio: Kenneth, please one intelligent question at a time.
Kenneth D: Julio ok so if you can just answer them from first to last that’ll be fine; or any of them if you are able.
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David F: Was Al ah the moon god before he became today’s Al ah?
Julio: David F, Al ah was and still is another man-made anthropomorphic idol, with a human nature, a cruel beast of the worst type.
David F: Julio, agreed.
David F: If a god exists we wouldn’t have to ask anyone anything.
Zelda A: Why can’t your god speak for herself?
Dennis B: Why would I ask something about nothing?
Lawrence W: Or unicorns, pixies, other fictional ideas thought up by humans. God(s) do not exist. No evidence has ever been found to prove they are anything other than myth. Malignant myth in the name of which great harm is done.
Lawrence W: In this age of increasing scientific knowledge, I find it hard to understand why some people still believe in a fucking stupid, dark ages myth. “Religion is the practice of training your mind to ignore evidence, logic and reason, while being able to believe in fairytales based on faith alone, while being proud of it rather than ashamed.”
Don A: Why are babies born with cancer? Why did god create a universe 14 billion light years across, containing 200 billion galaxies, each of which contains 200 billion stars or so, most of which contain multiple planets, just for the human race? Why does a creature that magnificent and all-encompassing give a crap whether I am respectful to my parents?
Peter G: Which religion has the one true God?
Victor S: Peter G, none; all gods are anthropomorphic beasts, as Julio said.
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Tay H: All the happenings in humanity were blamed and will be blamed to God. No one blamed it on Satan or the Devil. That is the reality.
Gregory S: Tay H, all the happenings in humanity are due to humanity’s failure to overcome their own flaws. We have this free will and it is a choice.
Tay H: Gregory S, exactly correct sir. No one is going to accept their failures so they blamed it on someone else who created everything.
Julio: Tay H, correct. If Jesus was God, he will be embarrassed and condemned for not fixing the original problem when the original problem was small and easy to fix; that’s what I always say. That’s the logic. There was a moment when the problem was small and easy to fix. If God didn’t pay attention to that small problem, or was playing cards with the Trinity and the Virgin Mary, he will suffer the consequences for being of poor judgement; no possible escape.
Peter G: Tay H, no, sir, the reality is people even the people that are supposed to be closest to God on this Earth used his name to pray upon innocent people and commit horrific crimes. It’s not Satan; they did it in God’s house.
Tay H: Peter G, so it’s not Satan because they did it in God’s house. How are you sure that it is God’s house? God didn’t live in a house made by human beings.
Peter G: Listen if you want to play semantics, it’s not what I’m into. I don’t 37
say everything good that happens is x and everything bad that happens is y. I see and when I say that I literal y mean I’ve seen with my own two eyes a man telling me that God wanted certain things from me and he was the only way for God to get them; you can call it God’s house, you can call it Church, you can call it a pedophile cabin if you like, but that wasn’t God or Satan, it was a man using religion to trick a small boy into the most horrific crime that a trusted supposedly man of the cloth can commit. You can use name play all you want. Those thousands of young kids that had their lives destroyed, they were destroyed by the Catholic religion. Call it what you want but if your God was so loving and caring and has time to make a mule talk in his Bible why doesn’t he have time to save some of those poor kids who had their lives destroyed?
Julio: When his admirers call him God, certainly, he is responsible.
Fortunately, there will be the Final Judgement, where Jesus will be called up to explain why - being God - didn’t come up with a better plan! The Judgement Day will condemn this God that chose the worst plan to save the Jews! The Jews could have been saved with a better plan. Murdering babies in Bethlehem to save the Jews was a bad choice. Jesus will not escape justice! Not only Jesus will be condemned to an eternity and a half of banishment outside the Big Bang, but also all those admirers that pestered our suburbs with their evil work. Pastors, ministers, missionaries, priests, cardinals, bishops, popes, elders, prophets, nuns, and all other
“servants-of-God” [the God here being Jesus-of-Nazareth, a miserable hashish addict with hal ucinations] will suffer eternal condemnation, and will be dropped outside the Big Bang to tumble down forever impossible to stop. There shall be eternal weeping and gnashing of teeth forever or longer for those who committed crime to play the saint and the pious.
Now, these people from the Dark mentioned above, keep infiltrating and pestering our suburbs pretending piety, holiness, and sainthood, but they cannot fool the intelligent student. We do know them! On the Last Day we will stand up to vote for their eternal banishment. They shall not escape, but pay for all their crimes, for lying to innocent children, for collecting money for their useless lives, for teaching holy books full of 38
violence, for insulting those who called them liars, and more. As I say above, their punishment will be to be pushed over the outskirts of the Big Band and tumble down into the darkest of the darkest Vacuum forever and ever, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, forever, without escape, with nobody to help or commiserate with them, in eternal loneliness, always tumbling in the dark and the cold of eternity. If you know of a more severe punishment for these bastards let us know, thanks.
Gregory S: Julio, that’s an interesting waste of space on my screen you just spouted. Self resentments are toxic, self forgiveness may relieve you of this nastiness. Just a suggestion... an honest one, too.
Julio: Do you applaud crime committed by Jesus and his admirers, Gregory?
Gregory S: Julio, I most certainly have done so.... I was indoctrinated into the American Empire. Now that the empire is in decline I have forced my way past the conflict in order to see the truth. It’s going very well! I believe so anyways.
Julio: Gregory S, cool. Who indoctrinated you, if I may ask?
Gregory S: Julio, my mother and society.
Joe M: Nope, because the name Jesus is a made up character by Rome and the Real Messiah wouldn’t know that name.
Julio: Joe M, “Real Messiah” - can you explain that, please?
Joe M: Julio, the original scrol s and documentation of the Essence Priesthood of Egypt mentioned a Messiah figure by the name Yeshua (Joshua) that came to restore the laws of the Torah to his people. Rome took these scrol s and created an entirely new narrative and even changed the identity of this figure into a Zeus figure of worship for business 39
purposes. So my point is if the person that these Jesus stories was original y based on came back, he would not know anything about the word Jesus or Christianity.
Julio: Makes sense.
David B: If Jesus is God then I will blame him for everything.
Gregory S: David B, Gaius Julius Caesar AKA Divius Julius.
David B: Gregory S, undoubtedly.
Julio: David B, it is a very serious problem. Not only is Jesus guilty of committing crime to save the Jews, but also those in our suburbs spreading the poison Jesus created.
Gregory S: Julio, Christianity appears to have been created by the Roman Empire to degenerate Judaism for the purpose of integrating Jews into the empire. They would not assimilate otherwise with their incompatible ideology of theism. Since early Christianity consisted mostly of Jewish converts, they were able to connect their Torah to Christianity and in effect remain in control of Christianity to a large degree and during a crucial time during its development.
Ciccio M: “Al-Hajj 21. Al-Anbiyaa 47 20. Ta And We place the scales of justice for the Day of Resurrection, so no soul will be treated unjustly at al . And if there is Leaven the weight of a mustard seed, We will bring it forth. And sufficient are We as accountants.”
Julio: If Jesus was God, he will be embarrassed and condemned for not fixing the original problem when the original problem was small and easy to fix. That’s the logic. There was a moment when the problem was small and easy to fix. If God didn’t pay attention to that small problem, or was playing cards with the Trinity and the Virgin Mary, he will suffer 40
the consequences for being of poor judgement. No possible escape.
The intelligent student will stand up in the Last Judgement to vote for the eternal banishment of God and his Son Jesus Christ for not paying attention to the Original Problem when the Original Problem was small and easy to fix. They will be humiliated for inefficiency and condemned to eternal banishment outside the Big Bang, to tumble down across the Eternal Vacuum, in utter Darkness and minus 250 Celsius temperature, weeping and gnashing their teeth, forever and ever, interminably. Are you intelligent enough to see this problem? Are you intelligent enough to understand that if God created the universe and this small rock where you live, then he is responsible for not fixing the problem that original y was small; how many more times do I need to say this? It was a small bolt getting loose and rattling, easy to tighten up with a spanner, and presto the mechanism was quickly fixed. No need for violence or crucifying any son of God. If God had to kill himself or the entire Trinity to save the Jews, he will suffer the consequences for being arrogant and stupid.
Could have saved the Jews without killing anyone of his sons! Bad God, bad plan, therefore.
Richard L: I’m not sure his name was/is Jesus.
Julio: Me, too. In matters of historical evidence there is nothing genuine to assure us that Jesus-of-Nazareth existed. Religion is a dark labyrinth of lies.
Cameron A: Julio, religion as a whole or some part thereof?
Julio: Cameron A, general y speaking religion is a poisonous tree of toxic fruit.
Cameron A: Julio so in general? Not real y all of them?
Julio: The gospel-of-Jesus-Christ is very violent, and evil, starting in Bethlehem with the slaughter of innocent Jewish babies. The angels had 41
sang “Peace-on-earth-and-goodwill-among-men!”, but soon the “Prince-of-Peace” would contradict them with his violent manifesto, declaring that he came from heaven not to bring peace on earth but a sword to create violence that would spread across the world - Matthew 10:34. In today’s language he would shout “I did not come from heaven to bring peace, but a machine gun to create violence on earth, you bastards!” Today, Jesus would not speak of swords, since they are no longer instruments of war. He would shout “a machine gun!!” You need to understand that the Christian gospel is a fraud – it never helped to create a sound morality across the world in the last twenty centuries of its existence. It is a failed moral policy. It only created an environment of division and much bad fruit. Is this not right? Fundamentalists are dangerous fanatics – I hope you’re not one of them. They are ready to kill innocent people to highlight their God’s holy character. Jesus was and still is the worst fundamentalist that ever lived. He had just arrived from heaven, when he opened his insolent mouth to say I come not to bring peace on earth, but a sword!
Came from heaven with a sword to cause war, injustice, division, hatred, intolerance, and evil. That’s your “Saviour”! He himself said so. But, now go to a fundamentalist church and ask the dictator there what did Jesus mean, and he/she will tell you it was the sword of the spirit. Liars. Jesus did not say a thing right there about any sword of any spirit. Fundamentalists are liars. Religion is a source of much lying.
Friedrich W: No!
Julio: Friedrich W, okay, who then is responsible for the crimes committed in his name...?
Friedrich W: Julio, those who committed the crimes... I thought it was obvious. Lol
Julio: Friedrich W ... are you saying that Hitler wasn’t guilty of killing Jews...? Apparently he didn’t kill any of them... Apparently, Jesus said “I come with a sword!”
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Friedrich W: Julio, off topic. Can you formulate your argument without nonsense, bud? Lol
Gregory S: Julio, the so-called holocaust may have been engineered or even fabricated for the purpose of eliciting sympathy for Judaism and giving them someone else’s land to establish the nation of Israel. There are many clues which help lead to this conclusion, but many facts remain classified to this day. General Patton arrived in Berlin and openly declared that we fought the wrong side. Something is very wrong with that scenario.
Peter G: Friedrich W, why is what he said about Hitler nonsense because it doesn’t fit your narrative; you can try to swing it any way you want the horrific things that have been done in the name of religion from back when religion was first made up to this very day. That Hitler reference is a perfect reference if a dictator has innocent people killed, that dictator is held responsible. If you can sit here and say that the most horrific crimes the human race can do to each other haven’t been committed in the name of the Catholic religion even in your God’s House of prayer, even by the people they’re supposed to be closest to God, then there is no debating you on this subject; these are not opinions or beliefs, these are 100 percent provable facts. Now I’m sure you’ll come up with some witty comment to try to put me down or make me feel bad, you know, cuz that’s the Christian thing to do, but it’s okay.
Friedrich W: Peter G, that’s irrelevant to the topic. The one responsible for your crimes is yourself. Lol
Peter G: So where does it stop if a man sel s crack on a corner, does the responsibility stop at him, or does responsibility stop at the cartel, or does responsibility stop at the guy that picked those coca leaves and turned them into paste? You would say they were all guilty, correct? Well there are people that killed their children because they say God told them to; happens everyday, so if God told them to, wouldn’t that make him 43
responsible? Nobody’s saying that the people that are doing things are responsible as wel , but if you’re going to sit here and say that religion or God or whatever the f*** you want to call it, has no responsibility for what happened to those poor little kids you’re sick. I bet you that kid didn’t care who it was. That was actual y assault because that guy in that funny white f****** coat told him it was God’s wil .
Peter G: To me certain things you can play cute with, like the absolute havoc the Catholic Church caused to thousands of families isn’t one of them.
Friedrich W: Peter G, if you sell drugs for the cartel, it’s on you, buddy.
Peter G: I think it’s funny how you can’t answer with a serious question because you’re wrong and religious people especial y Catholics when it comes to their religion oh there’s no room for wrong. It’s to be expected though, you probably can’t even read the whole post without somebody holding your hand and walking you through it; it’s all right, I don’t blame you, I blame the religion where they breed sheep. And again it’s understandable being a Catholic to think that priests giving boys a little extra attention after the mass ain’t such a bad thing you’ll probably avoid it didn’t get picked, you probably hold some hate for that, but I’m sure you got it that out in a confessional, you just keep being the good Christian you are if you’re good enough when you get up to heaven you get your own little boy cherub; I’m sure for a person like you that’s worth being a good boy all your life, f****** pathetic.
Julio: We do know from recorded history that Jesus’ religion committed the most atrocious, heinous and wicked crimes to protect its vendors and criminals. Since in his religion Jesus is considered God who declared that he had been endowed with all power in heaven and on earth, it follows that all the crimes committed in his name are crimes he himself is guilty of. Prove me wrong and win $20. “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” KJV. All 44
power! In other words, if his religion was not to be criminal, with all power he had, he could have stopped it! He didn’t! So, he is guilty of all the crimes committed in his name. He must be punished.
Osiris B: Yes, if he was real!
Peter G: Crimes committed were entire wars, genocides; the crimes aren’t shoplifting, they’re horrific crimes; absolutely, should be held accountable; if a modern day dictator has his army kill a bunch of innocent people, that dictator is held accountable is he not?
Drah K: No.
Alexander W: No; the people are responsible for their own deeds, good or bad. If you are committing a crime in his name, is it a crime against God’s rules or not? If not and you’re committing a crime against man’s law but it’s a law that’s not against God’s law, then you’re okay in God’s eyes not man’s, tho. So if okay by God, great, but if not by man’s law u gotta pay still.
LaVonne S: No
Alexander W: I’d rather do right by God and still do right by the law of man, but if a man tries to overstep God, then I choose God.
Julio: Alexander W, explain what you understand and mean by “man tries to overstep God”.
Alexander W: Julio, man’s rules if going against God’s rules.
Keith F: Alexander W, God appears to endorse slavery according to that book of yours. Were humans wrong to abolish it?
Julio: Keith F, Alex will not answer your question, because his philosophy 45
of life is to “respect things”. Slavery is a “thing” he respects, it appears.
Alexander W: Man didn’t abolish it, we still have it today. like when you’re doing a job u hate, and struggling for that pay each week. That’s still slavery when u should be making more. It’s just another form of slavery.
But all in all in places around the world even here in criminal activities slavery is still happening. There is good slavery and major bad slavery.
But like it or not we’re all slaves in some fashion. That’s for fact.
Julio: Alexander W, okay, but the main question you left behind: Did God endorse slavery? You said that men tried to overstep God. Was it overstepping to abolish a nasty form of slavery? Why do you think Paul the apostle endorsed human slavery?
Alexander W: I wasn’t just referring to slavery, I was talking about anything between man’s law and God. His law comes first. We still got bad slavery today an good as wel . I believe it was possibly endorsed for good reasons not bad ones man created. But I’d have to look that back up to be sure. God wouldn’t do it for wrong reasons, that much is for sure.
Julio: Alexander W, when you say “God wouldn’t do it...” is it that you speak for God, or only your private opinion?
Alexander W: I believe he is a just God, from everything about him. It’s not our place to judge the almighty. So I’m speaking for what I understand is God’s way and I would also speak my opinion as well being one with God’s way hopeful y.
Julio: Alexander W, what, are you an expert on God’s qualities? Do you believe in a “personal God”? “Personal God” meaning that that type of God has a human-like temperament, and likes to be admired by us. If so, let us know when exactly you did hear about that “Personal God”.
Were you contacted by this God, or other men told you about “him”? [It is important for me to know this matter. I do collect this type of material 46
for a book.]
Alexander W: I’m no expert on God, I go by the qualities that are written in the Bible on how and who and what he represents. Not a personal God.
He’s mankind’s God whether we believe it or not. If God doesn’t exist, we’ll find out. But I’m pretty darn sure he does exist and nothing or no one will change that. I can constantly be questioned by you or anyone, it won’t change my thinking, as it probably won’t change yours. So u can continue asking whatever u choose or just move on.
Julio: Alexander W, okay, thanks for your answers, appreciated. When you say “If God doesn’t exist we’ll find out” - how will we find out?
Alexander W: For real when we cease to exist here. Or we just cease.
Jef R: About as much as Harry Potter is responsible for Voldermort’s demise.
Ricardo B: No; only Odin is responsible for the crimes, because Odin exists and Jesus doesn’t.
Joe Z: You’re asking if a dead person is responsible for something?
Johnson M: “A man without Jesus in his life is like a fish without a bicycle.”
Ray A: Not at al . They’re just misinformed. If you kill the devil, the slavers, the rapists, the invaders and the murderers, is it a crime?
Julio: But Jesus promised that his gospel would be good news for humanity! It wasn’t, never was. He lied. And much crime was committed in his name.
Ray A: Julio, Jesus never promised anything.
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Mel L: Wel , if he ever existed, then yes. It is important to acknowledge the wrongs committed in any god’s name. There are a lot of crimes and harm done in the name of some god.
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5 – Prove that God said “I wrote the Bible!” and win $20
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Julio: Christians tell us that the Bible is the “Word of God’! Prove that God wrote it, and win 20 USA dol ars.
Cameron A: Julio, when you say God wrote it, do you actual y mean write it by hand on paper? With a pen, or authored? Which is it?
Julio: Cameron A, I never said it. Christians say it. They say the Bible is God’s Word. Some say “God wrote the Bible”, even though they use one of the 200 different versions and translations of some old manuscripts.
Eddie S: Your premise is wrong. God told men what to write in the Bible.
Julio: Eddie S, prove it and win $20, haha.
Eddie S: Julio, that’s easy. Order on Amazon a copy of the Bible that men wrote for God. Pay up!
Julio: Eddie S, stop being “funny”! I don’t appreciate that nonsense. You have to present proof that God told men - or Amazon - to write the Bible.
Simon S: Eddie S, I just spoke with god. She told me the Bible is fake Julio: Dayna J, are you God’s agent delivering messages for him, because he cannot deliver them himself?...
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Dayna J: Julio, God can deliver messages to you. Ask him. He tel s you this in his word if you seek him with your whole heart the truth will be given to you. Julio, you definitely can ask. I hope you keep asking. You have no idea what you’re missing. Nothing in this world will ever fill the empty void we all have. Drugs, alcohol, money, sex, love, a job; nothing will fix it. Only God can fill the void. I know you know the void I am talking about. We all have it. Unfortunately nobody can walk with you on your journey for God. You have to do it alone. I’ve planted seeds and left them. Some people did come back to me. Apparently they sought God and found him. They were blind, but now they can see. I used to laugh at Christian’s too once. I understand your frustration. There is a lot of deception, especial y in the churches. All I can do is show you the door to enter. It makes me happy when people who once laughed at me come back and ask me questions about God. They asked him, found him, and returned to tell me that they could see. They got sober. Got off the street.
Got a job. They help people. Let him who has ears hear what the spirit says.
Julio: Yeah, but I already asked you, Diana R, if you speak for God, or if you represent the Almighty, or if you are his agent because he likes you, and to send messages to me he first sends them to you. Why don’t you answer this matter? Did God ask you to represent him around here, or is it only your moralistic side? There is a big problem with Christians telling us that God told them “I wrote the Bible”. That’s an area of Christians’ life where you can confidently accuse them of being liars. It is absolutely certain that never did any God tell them “I wrote the Bible”. So, the pertinent question: If God never told them “I wrote the Bible”, why do they keep repeating the same lie? They do repeat the same lie even to their own innocent children, never mind their friends. So, folks, if the Christians - especial y those in leadership - keep repeating the same lie over and over again, why do they do that, what is the dynamic that motivates them to tell lies day
& night and night & day perpetual y? Can you explain this situation? I see this phenomenon as a deterioration of their - the Christians - moral fiber. It is the result of being inclined to push lies to earn a dishonest 49
living. In this regard, you can point them out as servants of the Dark, not of Light. Christians do tell and push this massive lie that God told them
“I wrote the Bible”. It is satanic stuff, some say. It is the Devil working in their lives. It is the result of living in utter spiritual Darkness. That’s why Christians are forever divided amongst themselves, pushing different agendas, betraying one another, and having different dogmas, doctrines, and theories, perpetual y filling their lives with religious hatred and being wicked in matters of belief and condemning others for different beliefs. It is a mess, because they refuse to acknowledge that no God ever wrote any book, much less the Bible, which is a terribly violent story. It is therefore impossible that what Christians define as a Super Almighty God with an incredible package of attributes would need to write a bloody violent book to send me a message!
Cameron A: Julio, before focusing on Christianity, why don’t you tell us why atheism is logical?
Julio: Cameron A, I call that comment a bad one; it didn’t register as pertinent to the topic we are debating. Try again.
Cameron A: Julio what is atheism? I know you can’t speak on anything other than your “love” for Christianity and God.
Julio: Cameron A, “What is atheism?” didn’t register as an important question for the current debate. Stop being “funny” or I will block you from participating in this august debate, last warning.
Cameron A: Julio, my friend block away. Must be nice having super powers. Why are you afraid to speak on your own belief? Or lack thereof?
I see you like playing judge. Get off your high horse, lol poor atheists.
Julio: Cameron A, you started it. You wanted to shift the goalposts to avoid the real issue about the Bible. Why don’t you want to win $20?
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Cameron A: Julio, I’m not interested in the Bible, I’m no Bible believer, I’m interested in your beliefs.
Tamás B: Julio, when a Cristian is telling God wrote the Bible that’s a belief not a fact. It’s a choice. You choose something because all your experience in life resonates with those words in the Bible. It’s not you who chooses the Bible, but the Bible that chooses you. As it’s written ‘I choose you’.
Nobody can understand the Bible if he is not called first for this. Even the Bible tell us that these words are to kill for some, but they are life for others. The miracle itself is that you find belief in the Bible because you start seeing certain things that you weren’t able to see before. You can’t do that, it’s impossible, until Jesus heals your spiritual eyes.
Julio: Tamás B, it is a bloody lie, perpetual y spread across the religious spectrum. If you yourself do it, then you are one with those serving Satan, who according to yourself is a liar. When you push a lie you are pushing the Devil, and by association you are one with that destructive force.
The fact is clear that most Christians will get rude and coarse when the intelligent student points out to them that they are pushing a massive lie.
If you do it then you are also a liar. Do you do it?
Tamás B: Julio, what makes you think the Bible is serving Satan?
Julio: Tamás B, the Bible is a story men wrote. Men wrote the Bible inspired by the Devil, by demonic forces. Where there is violence there is no divine inspiration. If you push & sell a book inspired by Satan, you are, by association, a servant of the Devil. Are you one of them?
Tamás B: Julio, I don’t think the Bible is pushed and sold by force; it’s your choice to read it or not. But saying that this is a satanic thing is the biggest idiocy I’ve ever heard. You have to have a satanic eye to see in that way.
Julio: Tamás B, those who push & sell Bibles are serving the forces of darkness. They are pushing & selling a book written by violent men with 51
agendas to overpower the simpleton and rob them of their money and goods. All Bible merchants serve the Devil, consequently.
Friedrich W: Julio, atheism is leading people to be deceptive. Thanks for proving it. Christians only care for the Truth. “And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:32.
Dayna J: Julio, I represent Jesus, the Father, the Holy Spirit and the truth.
Julio: Dayna J, prove that you represent God and win twenty American dol ars right now! If you also prove that you represent the Holy Spirit you will win another $20! And if you also represent the Trinity, I will give you another twenty bucks. Go for it.
Dayna J: Julio, I total y don’t want your money. It goes against everything I stand for. I came on here to say a few things and now I am leaving.
Julio: Chicken!
Tamás B: Julio, it’s true that a lot of organizations do business with the Bible, sucking the crowd’s money by manipulating them with psychological tactics. The same thing was true in those days Jesus lived.
That’s the reason he was killed as he said what you are saying now for the leaders that they are the sons of Satan. That’s why the Bible can be interpreted only through the spirit of Jesus. If you do so, you will see that God (what Jesus actual y cal s Father) is not violent or greedy in any way, it’s not even present in any circumstance related to violence. It’s not somewhere high staying in a throne, but it’s under your feet, real y low, and most of the people can’t find it, only when life puts you down; sometimes where you can observe the presence and love of God. Blessed are the brokenhearted, those who are poor, those who cry; it’s not because God wants this for you. It’s because that is the spiritual state where God is present. For those with lots of money, power, authority, etc, God is not important, so they can’t find him.
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Dan V: Julio, anytime someone tel s me that “god told them to tell me,” I just tell them that god told me he didn’t tell you shit.
Julio: Dan V, lol, perfect, good answer.
Philip C: Julio, here you go! The Word Evidence Bible of God. Question
#1 What other document can compare to the Bible, or the words of Jesus?
Question #2 the Bible was real y written by humans, should not other documents be comparable to the Bible, as those other documents were written by humans? Question #3 One book (written by God) changed the world, for the better. That is, Bible Christianity American Dream. But can we say that about any other book written by Man?
Julio: The Bible is a satanic source of conflict. Wherever the Bible went, violence was the result. To this day and hour, those pushing the Bible fight among themselves about dogmas, doctrines, and ideologies. It is a bloody violent book, impossible to be from a divine source. Where there is violence there is no divine inspiration. Where violence is nothing divine is. No God would ever need to write a book to send me a message.
You can reject any God that to send you a message had to write a bloody violent book.
Philip C: Julio, you wrote Wherever the Bible went, violence was the result, etc, etc, etc. If you think that is bad, check out the Lake of Fire and eternal Death.
Julio: Nobody needs the Bible for them to be decent human beings.
John N: Prove god wrote the Bible. Here is his No.1 sales guy at work.
“Jesus sealing the deal for all hotels to have his book in the bedside drawer.”
Nana H: He never said he wrote the Bible.
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Julio: Nana H, okay, what did he say, then?
Nana H: Julio he sent his words through messengers to his people.
Julio: Nana H, the “messengers” said that, too. They lied. The Bible is an almanac of lies, my friend. Men themselves said that God inspired them, in all dishonesty they said that. Liars, big time.
Adrian J: Check Mate! How can you be so sure it’s the word of God? The Bible is the word of God because the Bible tel s us so! “But how do you know it’s infallible? The Bible is infallible because the Bible says it is, haha!
Marc D: Prove your Bible isn’t ancient fiction?
Julio: Marc D, the Bible is a collection of fabricated stories to perpetuate superstition.
Ogbes O: You want to win £100, prove that God Almighty vividly declared that Mohammed is his prophet.
Julio: Ogbes O, I hate Islam, too, but this is not the topic here right now; some other time.
Dayna J: I wonder why people only hate the Bible. And not anything else.
I also wonder why inside the Bible I find things such as an ionic bond.
How vibration (the word) and light = frequency and matter creating the physical world. I think God says that he stretched the heavens and the Big Bang copied that and cal s it an expanse. I wonder why the speed of light is in there when the children of light are mentioned at 186,400. I also wonder why God’s name is actual y literal y in our dna YHWH. And why YHWH sounds like a breath. See when you breathe you speak his name.
I think he said that he is the breath of life? Right? See his name is being spoken by all life all the time in order for them to live. You must breathe 54
to live. If you don’t believe me you can look for yourself in genealogy. I also sometimes wonder why the rib is the only thing that can regenerate itself. It can regrow. I think Eve came from the rib. I also wonder why all the minerals in dirt also exist in the human body. I think Adam was made from that stuff. And breath was put on it. The Big Bang theory is in there. What else? Oh, lamb’s blood is actual y anti-venom for snake venom. Jesus rode on a donkey; check out a photo of a donkey and the cross on its back. There is proof on every page. I could keep going. So far I can’t find anything that proves that it’s false. Everything points that it’s true. And because of that and all of the strange little scientific facts you find on every single page - and how cyclical it is - no one else could have written it but God. Through man. Some good stuff too realizing the burning bush and Moses took place both on earth and inside the body!
Land of milk and honey is a chemical reaction. Jesus had 7 wounds for a reason. If you can tell me, I will give you $20, Julio.
Julio: Dayna J, You failed the test, here, I lament... When you said “the word of God” you failed miserably. You quoted men and called them God.
The rest is your imagination playing tricks on you. Try to understand that quoting men and calling them God is demonic, evil, wicked, satanic.
Dayna J: Julio God is a spirit... also, I never quoted men. Why does this bother you so much? I know the tooth fairy is not real. I don’t waste my time trying to tell everyone the tooth fairy is a lie. Why do this? Why care?
Julio: The Bible starts with a lie, Dayna. I had that as the topic the other day, did you see it?
Dayna J: Julio, it actual y starts with the Big Bang. Do you believe in that?
Jesse B: Dayna J, wow. You real y think ribs grow back, and we’re made from dirt? No wonder you believe all that mess. It’s easy to believe when you also believe a bunch of other wrong things to back it up. Dayna, even 55
if you’re right, it proves nothing about God or Genesis being true. How do the rib bones correlate with the Bible and God?
Dayna J: Jesse B, too many coincidences. Look at YHWH and your DNA.
I understand where you are coming from tho. Believe it or not. I felt the same at one point. I did tarot cards. My body is filled with tattoos of ancient Egyptian Gods and Hindu Gods. I get it. But once I found out it was true I couldn’t look back. If you want to know you have to ask God.
I have a bunch of crazy testimonies that blow people’s minds. He’s real.
Jesse B: Dayna J, doesn’t seem like u do. Seems like u accept anything that even slightly correlates with the Bible as validation. Eve was made from a rib, and since humans can regenerate large sections of missing rib, that means Eve was actual y made from a rib? I can surely think of a lot of holes in that story. You’re almost a doctor and you actual y think the 1st female was made from sorcery out of a man’s rib?
John N: God did not say he wrote the Bible or any other text. Man wrote the Bible and all the other texts/scriptures and they said it was the word of God all delivered to them by their ancestors, angels or whatever you would like to call them. The words came to prophets for them to be the teachers to humanity to spread the word that our souls are eternal. Now if you want to win 20$ prove what I say is wrong.
Julio: Very wrong. All prophets were and are liars, because no God ever asked them anything. Why would what is called a Super Almighty God need agents to dispatch a private message to me? Prophets represented themselves, nobody else. They were big time liars. No exceptions across the times. Of course I don’t respect any prophets or superstitions. Do you?
John N: Julio I have respect for everything in life as I said. Anyone who can’t have a conversation without insults or respect is what the problem is with the human race.
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Julio: John N, so, you mean you have respect for religious liars...? Prophets lied to everybody for their own interest and agendas.
John N: Julio, I have respect for you, but you have not proved anyone or anything is a lie, so for me if you don’t have respect for things then you have no respect for yourself.
Julio: John N, “respect for things” means nothing. It’s like Jesus saying go and teach all nations the things I told you. What things? Nothing is mentioned.
John N: God is a conscientiousness not a being. Your ancestors needed agents to pass messages because people like yourself are afraid to open their mind to receive those messages themselves. You can do it; every being can if you choose too; or possibly you are a happy being controlled by what society dictates.
Ken W: John N, just a note: consciousness not conscientiousness Julio: Folks, three hours of debating this topic and nobody has yet won the jackpot. What’s wrong with you?...
Dayna J: Julio, nobody wants to hit the jackpot; offer more.
Julio: Dayna J, twenty bucks is all I can spend right now.
Dayna J: Oh, I didn’t mean the amount of money.
Viktor K: I can put in a further 100 USA dol ars for the person who can prove that there is a god.
Julio: Go for it, haha!
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Betty K: People need to learn what God and Lords are.
Kerry L: The believers have nothing but their faith!
Julio: Kerry L, correct. Their faith divides them into factions, cults, assemblies, churches, denominations, hal s, dioceses, conscriptions, convents, guilds, ranks, and dens of thieves & liars. It is demonic and satanic from beginning to end.
Kerry L: Julio ...based on nothing, no qualifiers, conditions, or obligations for membership. None. Based on faith and belief.
Julio: Kerry L, most Christians are victims of religious charlatans playing pious. Our suburbs are infested with those impostors playing godly while serving the Devil, the father of lies, Jesus called them. They go by two fundamental lies: [1] “God says in His Word!” - they quote men and call them God. [2] “God told me to tell you!” - they push and sell a midget God that needs agents to deliver messages to us. I heard a preacher shouting “This book I hold in my hand is the word of God!” It was the NIV. He lied big time. Years ago, I did read the whole NIV, including the Preface. Go check what it says in its last paragraph. This was a preacher so used to telling lies that no reprimand would ever lead him to repent and apologise for his lies. He earned a living by telling lies. This was another dishonest preacher deceiving the inattentive folk who, sadly, gave him money to help him serve the Devil and his lies. All preachers that raise their favorite Bible version in the air and shout “GOD’S WORD!” are liars, and, natural y, children of the Devil, Jesus said.
Gary A: As a child I remember questioning the scripture in red that was supposed to be words spoken by God.
Julio: Gary A, yes, that was one of the KJV editions, with Jesus’ words in red. Full of lies.
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Gungfu C: Gary A, which God? Every religion has a god or gods. The Bible was written by many people in different times mostly by Hebrew slaves. There are also over a hundred books burned by the Catholic church that were included in the Christian and Jewish Bibles so the Bible itself is questionable based on missing books. Obviously it was written by men in separate times, not by beings of another world. So no religious nut can prove their god or gods wrote their so-called holy books.
Mol y M: Julio, your money is a joke. The Creator spoke to a few of his people and inspired them to write a few prophecies to tell history. You are trying to get humans to just lie just like the rest of the fools.
Rod S: You’re never going to get someone to say that Yahweh wrote the Bible. I know what you’re trying to do but you’re not going to get it through these people because they’re going to make endless excuses.
These Clown Believers cannot perform miracles.
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6 – Prove that Jesus is God and win $20
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Paul D: You can’t because it’s not in the Bible anywhere. God is God; Jesus was a prophet.
Julio: Paul D, what if Jesus never existed, or that Jesus was a liar...?
Paul D: Julio, the man existed, but his story was corrupted by the Roman pagan church. The man taught how to talk to God and the church turned around and said he was God, which is untrue; it’s not in the Bible anywhere.
Julio: Paul D, so far, you have not won the twenty bucks, but I like your answer.
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Afiyah I: Bible is the answer.
Julio: Afiyah I, where? You can win $20!
Afiyah I: Julio, in Gen 1:1.
Charlie J: Afiyah I, the Bible is only the answer if you are asking about a book of fairy tales or you run out of toilet paper.
Afiyah I: Charlie J, no; the Bible is the truth because it’s the word of God, because Jesus is the truth.
Joseph D: The claim that Jesus is God is clearly anthropomorphic but in the case of this argument I shall follow the rules because I real y need the 20 bucks. To efficiently state my points I have to be guided by a definition of what God is. For the purpose of this motion I define God as an entity, person or abstract that is deified by humans because of his or its charismatic, supernatural or magical abilities. Historical sources tell different stories of Jesus’ divinity, but the big question of what it means to be divine shall be narrowed to meet the needs of this notion. Magic and sorcery are not wrought by science and from historical sources, the Christian Bible and apocrypha. It is clearly stated that Jesus while he was alive did what was not nature driven. Claims of raising dead people, healing sick people, multiplying a small food to feed a throng etcetera.
There’s also claims of him resurrecting after he was killed lawful y by the Roman legislation. The ability to restore hale without any medical procedure is not human, multiplying a few food to feed so many people is not some common thing, it takes so much magical abilities to make this happen. This could be the reason why he was called a god. I don’t know if this piece meets your heart’s needs but I real y need the 20.
Julio: Joseph D, Jesus’ miracles are all fake stories. Like walking on water in the dark of a stormy night - any junior Christ could do that. If Jesus 60
did it twice at noon, in the glare of the sun, then I would applaud it as real magic. The problem with all those stories is that none has any real historical backup, and we know that the gospels are saturated with exaggerations, absurdities, and lies.
Joseph D: Julio, I guess I then didn’t win the 20 bucks. Such a wasted effort. Lol
LaVonne S: John 14:7. If you real y know me, you will know my Father as wel . From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” Those like you, Julio, will be in big trouble when in the presence of God Jesus. He spoke of the Lake of Fire and eternal torment, don’t forget.
Julio: LaVonne S, that’s the usual baloney Jesus talked to low IQ followers.
Same today. So, do you speak for Jesus? He told you “Hey, LaVonne, do us a favour, go and threaten Julio for me, please, because you are my agent, and he doesn’t listen to me, thank you; will give you extra perks in paradise.” LaVonne, I lament to say, but in my eyes you are an agent of Satan, not of Jesus. I never had any trouble with Jesus, none. If I had, he could address me directly without you, your help. So, I’m sure you work for the Devil, by pretending piety and power to threaten those who disagree with you! Your heart is full of darkness, so you are from the Devil, I have no doubts about it.
LaVonne S: Julio, everyone will give an account to Him, including you and all your intelligence.
Julio: Christians are the most despicable fanatics and cruel individuals, ready to condemn any opponent to an eternity of torment or worse. They are working not for God or for Jesus, but for Satan, I have no doubt about it. If they worked for God, they would not even worry about threatening others for whatever reason, assuming that they understand what being an Almighty God is all about. But they don’t; their spiritual intuition is zero, worthless. “Hey, Julio, my name is LaVonne S, and I work for God, 61
and I represent Jesus around here. Jesus told me to tell you that I can threaten you with an eternity of damnation or worse if you disagree with my beliefs.” Jesus should have said this: “Hey, you bloody low IQ fanatics: I am God! I am three gods in one, together with my Father and the Holy Ghost! And if you argue, I will threaten you with an eternity of torment or worse!!”
LaVonne S: Julio, if that’s what you hear, then you have my pity.
Julio: LaVonne S, get lost with your piety. The problem is in your head: too many brain cel s killed by religion turning you into an intellectual midget.
LaVonne S: Julio, it is well with my soul.
Julio: You serve the Devil, and there is Darkness in your heart. No decent person would threaten another for differences of opinion about religion.
Nor would the same decent person attempt to deceive the opponent by pretending to speak for God. You do not have Light in you; only Darkness.
You speak for Satan, not for God Almighty. I told you that I have no problems with God, none. Only have problems with religious fanatics pretending to speak for the Almighty. That’s you, sadly.
Veleone T: LaVonne S, Jesus never claimed to be God himself, only the people around him did in their own opinion just like people today in their opinion.
Ogbes O: Will you real y pay or you just want to make mouth?
Julio: Why not? But first present proof.
Mol y M: 20 bucks to prove to a non-believer, omg, what a laugh. You just don’t get it. Oh and does not the whole Tanakh teach the Creator he himself was going to come , to step out his secret place?
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Julio: Mol y M, the Tanakh is a collection of lies by a terrorist called Moses and other liars - I believe nothing in that almanac of superstitions.
Mol y M: Julio, so the Hebrew Tanakh is shit?
Julio: You said it. I give any holy book from the Middle East a zero in worth. Did you know that your Tanakh starts with a lie, very first words?
Go check and see if you are an intelligent student. Nobody needs any Tanakh or any other “holy book” to be a decent human being. You can be a decent and virtuous human being without any holy book.
Daren A: What version of the Bible you read?
Julio: Several, in different languages; favorite KJV.
Daren A: Julio, and you’re looking for proof that Jesus is God in the KJV?
If there’s proof you’ll send me 20 bucks is that right?
Julio: Daren A, man, you almost won, LOL!
Daren A: Julio, someone proved to you that Jesus is God and won the 20 bucks already? Julio, the angel said they would name him Immanuel which means God with us. What does that mean to you?
Τράβις Χ: Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Julio: Τράβις Χ, Jesus talked a lot of baloney & tripe, this story being one of them. He knew his admirers were all small-brain-low-IQ idiots.
Elliott C: If you read the full chapter of John 14 you see Jesus said God was living inside Jesus. Jesus never said he was God.
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Darryl S: How about $2000?
Julio: Darryl S, go for it, somebody around here will award you the two grand, but make sure you do irrefutably prove the guy was God, or all will laugh at you.
Darryl S: Julio, nope. You won’t pay anything because you’re the one who dictates what’s true or not. Subjective.
Rip V: Jesus never claimed to be God in the Bible, it was only other people around Jesus with their private opinions. But Jesus himself never said ‘I’m God’. He only stated that he was one with God and other people can also be one with God like he was one.
Julio: Rip V, exactly. The story that Jesus said “I and the Father are one”
is not to mean “I and the Father are one God.” Who actual y wrote that sentence? You find out who, and the answer will be clear: Never did any Jesus say such a thing. The gospel of John is a writing of the middle of the second century, not genuine. Sadly, Christians know nothing about Bible History, and end up only being sick parrots repeating old slogans and mantras they hear in their churches where they are severely brainwashed by dishonest merchants passing for pious saints.
Julio: Friends, if you are intelligent students, you ask yourselves why would God need to write a book to prove that he is God? You will then see why I will never lose twenty American dol ars with anyone around here, do you understand?
Darryl S: Julio lol, you don’t dictate how God deals and communicates with His creation.
Julio: Darryl S, so, you see God writing a violent story to prove his existence...?
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Darryl S: Julio, nope. I see God sending His son to save mankind from sin.
Julio: Darryl S, baloney. No decent God would choose the worst plan to save the Jews. There was a better plan. Where there is violence there is no divine inspiration. Where violence is nothing divine is. The gospel cannot be from a divine source, for being bloody violent. There was a better plan, in fact two other better plans. A god that chooses the worst plan is only an anthropomorphic beast full of Darkness in his nature. You are protecting Darkness, and by association you also live in darkness, how sad.
Darryl S: Julio, you’re just a fallible being.
Chinedu O: Darryl S, that’s gonna get you the $20?
Τράβις Χ: Jesus is God’s image and intellect personified and manifested.
Goodbye.
Julio: It is not for you to defend Jesus! You are not authorised to speak for Jesus. Jesus - being God - would never need you to defend him. Therefore, my conclusion is that you work for Satan, not for Jesus. Good night, chicken.
Ahmad A: The proof is; Jesus had a tattoo on his thigh “ king of kings, lord of Lords” that makes him god.
Chris C: You have to put it in terms of either/or because axiomatic wisdom cannot be proven or disproved. Therefore, given the evidence, Jesus is God.
Rip V: Chris C, what evidence? Did Jesus ever say in the Bible he is God and can you show the verses?
Chris C: Rip V, yes, in fact he did. John 8:58. Enjoy looking it up!
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Rip V: Chris C, John 8: 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. I’m sharing to you what “I AM” real y means. It does not mean I’m God. The highlighted words are the names for God.
Chris C: Rip V, you clearly have no idea what it means. And I don’t care enough to explain it to you. Piss off heathen!
Rip V: Chris C, it’s right there in the screen shot I just showed you. It’s all highlighted. I am means I am, what I am /will be, what I am/will be. I am does not mean I’m God.
Chris C: Rip V, no, it’s not. Any kid in Bible school can tell you who I Am is. You don’t even care, so peddle your lies elsewhere!
Nigel C: How come humans claim there are so many gods? Just accept there are none and accept it’s 100% more likely aliens exist.
Julio: “Before Abraham was, I am” is not good English; Jesus was a liar, and talking to imbeciles. Why would he not be honest and openly declare
“I am God”, and stop all the coded shit?! He lied a lot. But first of al , let me tell all of you around this august audience that I do not credit those stories as genuine, period, goodnight. It’s a ridiculous God that needs a story to tell us that he is God. I believe Jesus lied a lot.
Grace T: You believe in the lord Jesus Christ in the end, if you are sent to hell.
Julio: Grace T, you work for Satan. I never had any problem with Jesus.
If he is God, it is inconsistent that he needs you to threaten me for disagreeing with you. Anybody that uses threatening to preach the gospel is satanic in essence. No way would a decent, mature, senior Almighty God use force or evil or Satan to attract followers! Therefore, Grace T, you 66
are from the Devil’s side, and you talk like Satan, and you are demonic in your nature, ful y in darkness. No way do you represent Jesus or God with that language. You not only serve Satan with your language, but you are full of demons and in your heart you are dark, wicked, demonic. I want to warn you: Don’t post here anything else or I shall surely block you for being Satanic, and working for the Devil! Is that clear enough?
Not another word here or I shall surely block you, last warning! I do not want Satan pushing his propaganda and his followers here. You are one, because you use threatening to attack your opponents. Go to hel , Grace.
Grace T: Julio how could be from Satan if I am 100% saved? By faith in the lord Jesus Christ, how about you? If you are not already saved, that means you are truly under Satan.
Julio: Grace T, your talk exposes you as one on Satan’s side. You pretend to be saved, but you are lost and in utter darkness. No way would a gracious God ever use you to get followers by threatening them! Your words revealed who you serve; you serve Satan, like Peter did when Jesus called him Satan. You see, you deceived yourself to advertise that you are saved while you are dead and lost. Your language exposed you as from Satan. No way, I repeat, would a Super Almighty need you to talk to me!
Do you think that I am that stupid? Do you think that I look at you as the voice of God, when you used threatening language against me only for disagreeing with you?! Let me repeat: I never - never! - had any problem with God or Jesus or any other God or any other Christ, none. I only have problems with crude, coarse, insolent fanatics like you. I told you not to post here again! I am going to block you now for insubordination and disrespect, good night.
Grace T: Julio, you are an idiot; look at this group’s page “debate...” What does it mean? Means you are not saved.
Julio: Folks, lamentably, nobody has yet won the twenty USA dol ars - $20
- what’s the problem? Telling me that by faith Jesus is God is not enough 67
to get the jackpot of $20! Give clear, undeniable, incontestable proof that Jesus is God, and you will be the winner! No ridiculous lectures and verse cross-references will count as evidence and proof, I warn!
Aaron F: Prove Jesus isn’t God 50000000000$, lol.
Rip V: Aaron F, we did already. The Bible says this, Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11, I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. 12, I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God. Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. 7, And who, as I, shall cal , and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? And the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. 8, Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. 9, They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
Rip V, Aaron F, it’s not Jesus, it’s man’s conscious mind. It’s a group of individual leaders in ancient Israel who were in control of their nation.
When this God spoke God only spoke inside their heads, in dreams and visions and it was their mission to seek out and manifest their thoughts.
The Bible is political and is more about politics when you take out the fairy tales and spooky things. Jesus was a political threat to the elders and the high priest who were the men in control of Israel. Jesus campaigned new progressive teachings to his followers. Jesus was no different than a politician. Jesus never says he’s God, Jesus only states he is one with God.
Why? Because God is the conscious thoughts of us humans. John 17:21
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That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: He only says one with meaning God is inside us already.
Aaron F: Rip V, pause... I thought you said God doesn’t exist?
Rip V: Aaron F, let me help you out, the “God” term is used in the Bible as having dreams inside your head, having visions inside your head and thoughts you think of that determines your actions in life. We are talking about the Bible where the people live in Israel not Rome or Greece.
Today’s era we say, I was “thinking” and talking to myself and I came up with this plan. In the Bible they say, I spoke to “God” and he came up with this plan. Different times, zones, and eras.
Aaron Fauth: Sounds about right.
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7 – Must I believe that God died for me?
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Julio: “Was God dead for 36 hours a cock-and-bull story?... Died on Good Friday 3PM; raised himself from the dead on Easter Sunday 3 AM”
John I: Yes. That’s why you can stop worshipping him/her/it/them.
Julio: No, because God died, but after 36 hours dead he got back by his own effort, so I was told.
Em D: John I, why would I worship an all powerful alien species that has no credible evidence of existence? And if credible evidence was presented (which it hasn’t) then why would I, the last known human species of 69
homo-sapiens have to worship it? Hard pass.
Arthur C: John I, I’ve always wondered what God’s pronouns are.
Tyler V: No. You are free to believe what you like.
Julio: Tyler V, I think that is the height of belief, or stupidity what do you say?
Tyler V: Being allowed to choose for yourself? I don’t know if it’s the height of belief. I think it’s the height of freedom though.
Julio: Tyler V, accepted.
Jazdara L: That pertains to Jesus’ sacrifice dying on the cross to bridge the gap/broken ties between God and man when our first parents allowed themselves to be deceived by God’s adversary, Satan. But not everyone can claim that, only those who follow Jesus. Cos it takes faith/trust in him to make sense of his death. Therefore as for u who rejects him that won’t apply, but not without a consequence of course.
Julio: Jazdara L, my friend, that is the most stupid of all stories ever invented by a defective brain. Are you saying that once upon a time, when the problem was smal , God was playing cards with the Trinity and didn’t bother to fix it, only trying to fix it when it was almost out of control, and only by killing his begotten son?!... Isn’t this a cock-and-bull bul shit story?...
Jon A: Only if you are gullible.
Dave O: You mean the same god that had sex with his own mother in order to give birth to himself and grow to manhood only to be tortured and murdered so he can remove an evil force from your soul which is present in humanity because a rib woman was convinced by a talking 70
snake to eat an apple from a magical tree?....yep, that’s the one!
Julio: Dave O, LOL, well you have little faith in these tales, it appears!
Dave O: Julio, I don’t have “faith” in anything; faith is wishful thinking nothing more.
Julio: Dave O, point taken.
Brian T: No. You are responsible for your own rights and wrongs. Nobody else can shoulder your own burden. We forge our own links in this life.
Julio: Brian T, yes, but all is relative, in the sense that when you arrive down here on this primitive planet all is already in a big mess, not of your doing.
Peter N: Imaginary God is immortal, so how could He have died for you?
Julio: Peter N, by pretending to be dead for 36 hours...?
Peter N: Julio, he faked his own death. Only criminals do that. Who or what was He hiding from?
Julio: Peter N, exactly. Bad God, bad story. What is dismaying is stupid folk supporting this “enterprise” of stupidity with their money!
Neville S: What god died for you?
Julio: Neville S, the popes invented this story to earn a parasitic living at the expense of the stupid and the naive.
Chad B: Yes you alone, no one else. I hope u feel special.
Gaz H: Well it’s hardly a sacrifice if you know you can get out of it. Ooooh 71
my my, I’ll die to save the world. Oh wel , done the ultimate sacrifice!
Nah not real y, I’m immortal, I’ll just have a quiet weekend! Any parents out there would give their right arm to just once disappear on Friday and come back on Monday. Bliss!
Paul G: Only if you have credible evidence to support that claim, I doubt you do.
Djamel A: God is immortal, he’s eternal!
Richard P: No. Belief is voluntary.
Glenn S: Julio No…duh…particularly when there is no reason to believe any gods exist.
Soetiran K: So, God does not exist anymore!
Ray G: No myth died for me!!!
Pete D: You can’t choose your beliefs. You’re either convinced of something or you’re not.
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8 – What is the craziest story in the Bible?
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Julio: $20 to the Salvation Army for the best post!
Soetiran K: God creates the whole universe and needs a rib of Adam to create Eva. Example of torture.
Julio: Soetiran K, good answer. It will win the twenty bucks if nobody else posts.
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Soetiran K: Julio, if I win, give the money to the homeless.
Julio: Soetiran K, no; to the Salvation Army, I said.
Michael Z: Soetiran K, and then his fan club bitches about transgender people when their sky daddy supposedly turned a part of a guy into the first woman.
Terence M: The Salvation Army has huge admin costs, the highest %
hived off to ‘spread the word’. Yes, they do good work too, but the %
earmarked for that is tiny in comparison to paying staff, housing them and advancing Christianity.
Julio: Terence M, heard about that. Can I call it a den of thieves, then?
Terence M: Julio, I don’t think I’d go that far; I’m sure they are good people, just an expensive operation.
Peter D: Julio, If you can demonstrate, despite the claimed mismanagement, and setting aside the many volunteers, that anyone is actual y getting rich from it. If not, an apology is in order.
Bob N: Terence M, “good work”? Not real y. The price is too high, and they are a hate group (anti LGBT+)
John I: My phone’s battery doesn’t leave enough time for me to list all of them in non-descending order.
John T: To me, it isn’t the crazy things in the Bible, but rather the fact that there are people in the 21st century who still think any of those things actual y happened. If you want to donate to an actual worthwhile charity, may I suggest Doctors Without Borders.
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Dylan C: Probably when Samson caught 300 foxes then tied them in pairs and attached torches to their tails to use them as flame throwers to burn the Philistine’s corn. Or when God made Ezekiel lie on his side in one spot for over a year and only let him eat bread cooked over cow’s shit. It’s a tossup between those two.
Julio: Dylan C, the Bible is full of those repugnant stories. Yahweh was a deranged sadist that Moses created in his image and likeness.
Walter W: Zapping poor Onan dead for spilling his cucumber seeds on the ground.
Em D: When Saul would only allow David to bang his daughter if he brought him 100 enemy foreskins. Ah, the things we do for *love*!
Julio: Em D, I find that a repugnant story, only possible from perverts like Saul and David. I give them zero in morals. The pages where their names appear should be removed from the Bible.
David A: The whole thing is too crazy for words.
Julio: David A, what do you think about God killing himself, being dead for 36 hours, and then automatical y coming back to life? Died on Good Friday @ 3PM, and returned from the dead @ 3AM on Easter Sunday -
36 hours dead in total. To me, that is the craziest of all stories in the old almanac of lies.
Greg B: Noah’s Ark. Hands down, the silliest shit I ever read.
Walter W: Greg B, I know people question how Noah kept the green veggies good for a year on the Ark filled with sweaty animals and their accumulating deposits. But the answer is simple. To help out in this special situation God had his angels drop off daily supplies of fresh greens for the lions, wolves, and people etc, to eat. Take it or leave; it was God’s policy.
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Julio: Walter W, Noah was a bul shitter of a kind, I heard. I give him zero in morals, the bastard.
Tina J: Noah and the Ark... Jonah and the Whale... but still so many are wack!
Don J: Tina J, those are the first two that I thought of. Great minds think alike.
Dawn F: All of it...every one of the stories are pretty crazy.
Brian T: The one where zombie Jesus comes back to save earth.
Julio: Brian T, yeah, look, you almost won the $20 for the Salvation Army; good answer.
Don A: Quite a challenge. The Bible is just chock full of crazy stories: Moses parting the Red Sea, The Sacrifice of Abraham, Jesus’ resurrection from the dead, the biblical flood, just to name a few. But for all-out silliness, I think a woman talking to a snake and being deluded into eating a sinful fruit would have to win the all-time prize for absurdity.
Julio: Don A, agree. Eve talking to Nachash is for small-brain-low-IQ
idiots; I think Eve would be flabbergasted with that story herself!
Derek M: The one where Yahweh sends enraged bears to maul children to death for them making fun of a bald guy. What a loving and awesome god!
Lawrence W: That ark/flood bul shit, soundly debunked by science.
Ilona T: An omniscient and merciful god who needs lamb’s blood smeared on door posts to know which children to murder. And this after 75
hardening the heart of Pharaoh, who wanted to let the Hebrews go.
Liàng P: God killed a guy who didn’t want to impregnate his dead brother’s wife.
Emanuel C: I would say Noah, but let’s be honest, the whole thing is a joke.
Warren C: “1Peter 2:18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.”
Julio: Slavery in the New Testament is to perpetuate the wicked morals of the evil apostles serving Satan. Even Jesus is not a good example of human rights. Today, taking the canonical gospels as a real story, Jesus would easily be prosecuted and found guilty of promoting hatred.
Julio: Folks, remember the $20 for the Salvation Army for the best post!
So far, only the average crazy stories have been mentioned.
Patricia M: Wow, there are so many crazy, sad, sick, insane psycho stories in that wretched book. Here is one that is, well you decide. The story when a man is giving his two prepubescent daughters to a mob of barbaric, sex crazed men, in order to protect a strange man. God is cool with it, does not stop it, lets the babies be ravaged and murdered by the men with god and the babies father’s permission.
Greg B: I found three sections that make sense in the “buy-bul ”: Contents, Index, and Maps.
Peter D: That God so loved the world that he took on human form and let himself be killed in order to deal with the problem of evil, and then rose from death to overcome it.
Julio: Yes, that was the Super Almighty God of the Bible that could fix the 76
problem earlier on when it was a small one, without violence, etc, but this God was playing cards with Al ah and the Virgin Mary, and had no time to fix anything. Later, when the problem was massive, he pretended to die to save the Jews! Shitty Almighty, to be fair.
Juan D: When Jacob wrestler god and defeat it.
David B: The garden and a sil y tree.
Joey A: What’s the one where the Jewish influencer goes to arrest a bunch of Christians in another town when he trips on the road, busts head, and sees a flash in the sky, so he changes his name, tel s everyone it was God that flashed him, and if they ever hoped to see same vision, then they have to follow him. Some drunken donkey driver fell and described the following hal ucination to get people to do what he says. Craziest part it worked, as a matter of fact it’s still working.
Eliza S: I think it’s a tossup between the flood and the rapture... otherwise, the whole stinking book.
Joel H: So many to choose from. But Noah’s ark is right uptimes there at the top. Absolutely nothing about it makes sense as anything but a fairy tale.
Muzi K: The flying chariot of Elijah with blazing fire and clouds of smoke.
Was it a spaceship? And Jonah came back after 3 days with an excuse to her wife that he was in the fish’s bel y, and he prayed to god and the fish released him.
Wes C: A real challenge because there are so many crazy stories starting with the 2 creation stories!
Garry D: Wrong question ... the question is ‘what’s the one story in the Bible that makes sense?’ Now, that is the tough question, because there 77
ain’t any, lol.
Sean S: That bats are birds. That a giant fish swallowed someone and he stayed alive for 3 days. Oh, and the flood… zero evidence and evidence of the contrary.
Honey V: The whole Bible is laughable and funny!
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9 – God had to write a book to send me a message?!
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Julio: What sort of God is this?!!...
Ray S: ...and a book with thousands of mistakes.
Peter D: Ray S, could you send me a corrected copy please so I can practice my faith with renewed insight ?
Jameson Z: The word of man.
Julio: Jameson Z, yes. Quoting men and calling them God is religious dishonesty, very prevalent across the structure.
Peter D: How are we communicating on this post? What mode is unique to humans? I had to use the written word to communicate this to you.
What better medium would you suggest for God to communicate to you?
Steve N: Peter D, uhhhhh, we could start with appearing to me and talking to me.
Steve N: Peter D, u have to use the written word. God doesn’t.
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Julio: Peter D, are you protecting God? Do you justify a bloody violent book as a message God sent me? One strong reason why I detest anthropomorphic gods is that they ask you to defend them! Yet, Peter, you will quote men to me and call them God! Is it not being stupid or a small-brain-low-IQ idiot to quote stories men wrote and call them messages of God?! Can you defend your position here in front of the audience?
Peter D: Julio, I also dislike anthropomorphic gods. The Greek pantheon for example with its characters vying against each other and displaying typical human failings - no hope of a solution to the problem of evil there.
But one stands out in which God says all your trying will not overcome evil, so I will have to do it for you. Anthropomorphic gods don’t allow themselves to be killed by their subjects. They demand sacrifices of their subjects in order to atone for sin. The Bible says that all the sacrifices made could not do this. They were symbolic anticipating Christ. I don’t expect you to be convinced but I do want to point out that Christianity is radical y different - Jesus said “Love your enemies”. Would the mere product of a typical y self-centred human mind say that? I have quoted a man to you who He, not I, claimed God status for Himself. His life showed Him not to be a deluded madman nor to be a deceiving liar (they are usual y in it for the money) but a person to whom people flocked because of His goodness. And the people who followed Him the closest were quite disil usioned when He was killed. But something strange happened. They were so convinced He had risen from death that they gave their whole lives to telling others for no material gain but often beatings, imprisonment and even death. And then their deadliest enemy, a religious fanatic, sworn to destroy them suddenly turned 180° and joined them after claiming Jesus appeared to him as he was on the way to Damascus to bash more Bible-bashers. For this he too suffered the same fate. If you are going to label people who quote the Bible as “being stupid...
small-brain-low-IQ idiot [s]”, you will not want to read Isaac Newton’s
“Principia” which contains his work on the laws of motion and gravity but also contains his effusive praise of the God who had used these laws to order the Universe He had made. Also on your list of “small-brain-79
low-IQ idiot[s] would be such luminaries as Galileo, Keppler, Descartes, Pascal, Boyle, Maxwel , Faraday and Lemaitre who had to correct Einstein and who gave us the Big Bang. I doubt that anybody on either side of this philosophical fence will like your list.
Julio: Before you go on, let me ask this: You said in your dispatch “The Bible says”. Was it men that said that, or God said it?…
Michael D: Peter D, how about showing himself rather than playing cosmological hide & seek to what f*****g end I have no idea? No show no belief; not real y that hard to fathom.
Julio: Michael D, in the book that “God wrote”, God dies and is dead for 36 hours, a weekend. Died on Good Friday at 3PM and came back to life by his own effort on Easter Sunday at 3AM - 36 hours dead to save a few Jews. It’s a stupid plan. He was not dead; only pretending to be dead, the hypocrite. To save a dozen of Jews, because the rest just laughed at the stupid plan. Now, the Christians arrive here to threaten us with this cock-and-bull story, saying that God told them to threaten us! It’s a conscription of small-brain-low-IQ idiots.
Steve N: What’s worse, he didn’t write it, men did.
Julio: In all sincerely, I do hate any God that to send me a message had to write a book full of blood and violence. Impossible to forgive those anthropomorphic gods! I do strongly hate that type of God. The miserable had a message to send me, but instead of sending Archangel Gabriel with the message, decided to sit at his desk and write a bloody violent story that took almost two thousand years to write, to send me the message!
That’s enough reason to hate a God, haha! Bloody bad God with a bloody violent story! I cannot forgive that God and his stupid arrangement. I’m an intelligent student, and easy to approach - any God should be clear with their messages to me. No need to write any message in a black book full of witchcraft, superstition, and crime. I repeat for emphasis: I do 80
detest gods that write books! I do reject all of them, from Yahweh to Al ah to Lucifer! A guild of deranged almighties!
Peter N: It is even worse: Some people dreamed (almost) the same dream about God and then decided to write it down. Problem is that it was years apart. The Gospel of Mark probably dates from c. AD 66–70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85–90, and John AD 90–110. Minor changes and redactions may have continued as late as the 3rd century.
Julio: Peter N, yes. “John” is a writing of the middle of the second century.
I do reject Scofield’s chronology he presents in his Study Reference Bible.
Luke speaks of many other gospels in circulation. It is a long study, but worth the effort. I recommend a scholarly book written in 1900 by Charles Waite these days available for free download from the Internet, an excellent study about what was going on in the first two centuries CE:
“History of the Christian Religion to the Year Two Hundred”.
Peter N: Julio, hear hear. And the Bible is the “best evidence” for God. How tragic for humanity that 2 billion people actual y believe this nonsense.
Steve C: “...telepathical y made a bunch of bronze/iron age goat herders and barbarians write a book for him...”
Ian M: If I were a god, I think I would choose just about any other form of communication with mankind. Books can be damaged, lost, misinterpreted, doctored, faked, edited. It’s pretty much the worst way I can imagine a supreme being to broadcast an important message.
Especial y if people’s eternal souls are at stake and as he’s a God. He has literal y an infinite number of ways to communicate. Revelation is equal y dumb. Why pick someone on their own and whisper in their ear? How dumb is that?
Rayen W: Ian M, u said, “If I were a god...” etc. Firstly, you are not God.
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created everything and knows about his creation better than anyone else; it’s a logical argument. Thirdly, if God wants to protect his books he will do that nothing can stop him. The Quran is the word of God that didn’t change from the time of the prophet Muhammed; until right now everything remains the same, because Al ah is protecting his book.
Julio: Rayen W, the Quran is bul shit - I did read it three times in my studies. The worst holy book you can find. It is as violent as the Bible, therefore impossible to be from divine inspiration.
Rayen W: Julio, I don’t care for your subjective opinion, it doesn’t prove anything, you are not even sure about what you said because it is subjective. When you are sure about something come talk to me.
Julio: Rayen W, so, my opinion is subjective, and yours is not, when you want to tell others to believe your opinion about a book full of crap?
Can they at least have the freedom to check the product on sale? Listen, Rayen, I do know what I’m talking about. The Quran starts with a lie. It also starts with Al ah and ends with demons, the jinns. That’s how holy that scrap book is. You can reject any god that to send you a message had to write a book! Islam is a bloody violent cult from the Dark Ages.
Terry Pawsmama: Rayen W, you said ... “I tell you, one day you gonna die like the whole mankind gonna die including scientists, so fear the fire of hel , you gonna regret so badly for not believing in Al ah and you will be in hell for eternity.” Al ah said in the Quran (4:56) “Surely those who reject Our signs, We will cast them into the Fire. Whenever their skin is burnt completely, the skin will grow again to burn again” etc. I tell you one day you gonna threaten and bul y people here one time too many and you will find yourself looking for some place else to weaponize your religious beliefs. You’re walking on thin ice.
Rayen W: Yes, Al ah chose prophets and messengers from our kind to teach us our purpose of life. And Al ah didn’t write the Quran, the 82
companions of prophet Muhammad did write the Quran, the Prophet Muhammed he couldn’t read or write he annotated his companions to write what Al ah said. The Quran is the word of God.
Em D: Rayen W, why did he choose such terrible messengers?
Julio: You can reject any God that needed to write a book to send you a message. Al ah is not a real God. Muslims tell me that Al ah is the Supreme Creator of all the Visible and Invisible universes, and much more, they say. Wel , how stupid! Why would such an incredibly powerful Almighty need to write a bloody violent quran to send me a message?! Something is awful y wrong with the god of islam! Imagine Al ah telling muslims, hey muslims go tell Julio to read my quran, because I wrote him a message there! How stupid, stupid is this conjugation of verbs?!!
Kathie K: Yeah, cheesy, right? Same exact thing as Joseph Smith and the Mormons. I’d be rich if I had the requisite dim view of humanity’s intellect as religion, but I just can’t sell them as short as religion does. I give them way too much credit, undeservedly.
Roni S: He didn’t invent email then!
Ray G: Humans wrote your god’s book. Apparently you god had the power to make huge complex planets, but had to be a racist to have the most evil beings write his tiny book. lol! Sounds like a stupid fairy tale, to me!
Ray G: Please tell me why your god made all the pedophiles of today that fill his houses of worship worldwide?
Roni S: He didn’t have to but cuz he doesn’t exist apparently men have to do all the work.
Dennis B: Wel , he certainly sent a message to Mary without a book.
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Elvis E: That’s how stupid God can be.
Julio: Any intelligent student will reject any God that had to write a book to send them a message. Never forget this ridiculous shit.
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10 – “Al ah the most merciful!” How true is this?
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Zelda A: It’s a hilarious joke written about a horrible fictional character Oke C: That’s a big lie, someone who will burn people in hel , is he merciful or evil?
Roni S, I dunno ask Jeebus.
Julio: Roni S, Jesus was another liar and thief, like all other prophets, no exceptions anywhere.
Tyler V: Have you seen what’s happening in Pakistan right now?
Julio: Tyler V, do you mean Al ah dispensing tragedy to those who thought he was great? Tyler, nobody needs a cruel beast like Al ah or any other god of the Middle East, do they?
Tyler V: I don’t think anyone needs them, no.
Chris L: Julio , this is just one of Al ah’s many trials for Pakistan. These people are clearly chosen. We must pray, prostrate for their souls. Each of the faithful will be given many virgins in heaven.
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with a big lie, the very first sentence: “Al ah the most merciful!” Right there, that sentence. You then go on throughout that piece of inflammatory rhetoric and see how cruel & violent its hero is. Of course you are free and it is your right to inspect the product muslims want to push and sell to their victims; it is your right. The first surah is a massive contradiction in itself - you read the first seven verses of that almanac of lies and see for yourself: compare verse one with verse seven. In verse one, Al ah is called the most merciful [in one of the English translations], but by verse seven the same god is already a defective deity with anger, wrath, and doing favours to those who admire him! Not any almighty God, but an anthropomorphic dwarf beast.
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I did - read three different English versions in great pain and agony for all its diatribe, man, it was real pain in the stomach. Then I complained to muslim scholars that I disliked their holy book. Man, the insults! Was told to go learn old Arabic and read it in the original dialect. I replied to the scholars that if I went and learned Old Arabic, then when I read it, I would automatical y translate it back into English in my head. And my
“translation” would never be better than the ones I already read from competent scholars. Next they gave me a lesson in stuttering.
Ilona T: For one thing, this Al ah would first have to be real, for which there is no real, credible, verifiable, empirical evidence. But let’s assume hypothetical y that Al ah real y exists: wel , according to his myth he tortures those who don’t believe in him, who don’t worship him, homosexuals are tortured forever too. He commands believers to kill apostates, atheists, Catholics, Jews, homosexuals and women who do not marry as virgins, cal s for misogyny, intolerance. Doesn’t sound like someone merciful to me.
Ismail B: Ilona T, where did you read that? None of that is true; you just make stuff up.
Julio: Ilona T, that is true, and the Quran confirms it - read surah 4:56
and see for yourself. Most muslims never read the quran independently, that’s why they will throw stones at you for exposing islam as a cult from 86
the Dark Ages. First words in the Quran say that Al ah is most merciful, but when the first opportunity to demonstrate the virtue arrived he failed, very badly! Check Surah 24:2! Here, Al ah uses the words “without mercy”!
Dinesh D: Ouch, I just read that non-believers would be thrown to the fire and when their skins burn off, they will be given new skins to feel that pain again.
Ahmad S: Al ah gives you free oxygen!
Julio: Al ah is an anthropomorphic idol, gives nothing. Muslims do always come up with this “oxygen” story, parrots, how ridiculous, moronic, and low-IQ.
Ahmad S: Julio, fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones, which is prepared for those who reject Faith” (Quran 2:24).
Julio: Ahmad S, I do know that verse very wel , in chapter 2. It is one of the most absurd ones. You never present it in the context of the previous verse. That is religious dishonesty to try to propagate a cult from the Dark Ages, full of violence and crime. Your favorite prophet said once that Jahannam - hell - was mostly occupied by women, not men. He said that most women go to hell for disobeying their husbands. It is a cult of absurdities. Any religion that uses threats to try to defend its stupid injunctions is a dangerous cult. In the islamic structures threatening the antagonist or the intelligent student is the norm. Muslims are so fanatical that they fail to see the absurdity of their cult, and become dishonest brokers, rejecting any argument against it. I do know the context of verse 24, which you should have presented if the intention was to be an honest debater. You are not.
Don A: Ahmad S, nope. Oxygen is created by plants. The difference between plants and Al ah is that plants actual y exist. Get it now?
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Ahmad S: Don A, there are plenty of factors that affect plant growth included water, temperature, light, and nutrients. Not to mention the hormones in the plant. These all are created and controlled by Al ah.
John C: You would have to first prove Al ah is anything more than an idea.
Ray S: What is the evidence that your specific god exists?
Kqlina A: As long as Al ah never stopped slavery from going on he is 0%
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Ron C: Yeah he is very Merciful letting his followers drown in muck from floods in one of his nations. What a Joke god.
Garry T: You need to show an “Al ah” before you can claim he is anything!
Julio: Al ah is an anthropomorphic god like all the others in the Pantheon.
Ken W: Why open this up? For a non believer like me, I would not agree.
For a Muslim person, they would agree.
Glenn B: Not much mercy here: “You will kill non-Muslims Muslims to receive 72 virgins in heaven; and 9:111 You will kill anyone who leaves Islam; Qur’an 2:217, 4:89 You will behead non-Muslims: Qur’an 47:4 10.
You will kill and be killed for Al’l ah (verse of the sword) Qur’an 9:5 11.
You will terrorize non-Muslims; Qur’an 8:12, 8:60 12. Steal from non-Muslims; Qur’an chapter 7 13. Lie to strengthen Islam; deception, Qur’an 3:26, 3:54 16:106. 40:28”
Mark B: 0%. Like, Al ah doesn’t exist, and the character in the book is more horrible than the other versions of the character in those other books.
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Jason A: Ask all of the “infidels” whose bodies were separated from their heads.
Chylon B: Wel , if you know what’s going on in Pakistan, not very merciful. Al ah has abandoned Pakistani Muslims. Oh, and so have lots of other Muslims.
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11 – Did you know that the Quran speaks of a geocentric universe?
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Jason A: Another instance of the Quran not being scientifical y accurate.
Aman D: Jason A, science has only theory.
Spencer E: Aman D, theory has explanatory power. Unless you mean hypothesis, which is a step toward developing a scientific theory. Theory is the top echelon of science. We don’t declare from a science book to be the last divine revelation on any subject. It is a body of knowledge, and a scientific theory is what we call the body of knowledge and laws that explain a given phenomenon (gravity, heliocentrism, germs, atoms, evolution, climate change, etc. all theories). The Quran has none of that.
Quentin R: Aman D, yes, which means a fact. A scientific theory isn’t simply a hunch, it’s based on evidence, observations, experimentation and demonstration. You don’t know what a scientific theory is, clearly. So, I recommend you do your research on even basic scientific terminology.
Scientifical y speaking, gravity, disease and viruses, the weather, and evolution are all theories. The difference between those things and the Quran is that all of those things can actual y be demonstrated.
Jason A: Aman D, science has scientific theories. Which are facts. Which 89
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Julio: Quentin R, the Quran is a story written in the Dark Ages. There is no science in the story. It is a recycled superstition.
Roni S: Flat earth, too.
Hope L: No one cares what the Quran has to say about anything.
Spencer E: Hope, no, lots of people do. Billions, in fact. It’s pretty unsettling…
Julio: There are millions of victims of cults, those we must alert for the danger to brain cel s, which will be destroyed and brain reduced in size, turning victims into small-brain-low-IQ idiots. Surah 36:40. And there are other six verses doing the same. This verse tel s the reader that the sun and the moon orbited around the earth. That’s how “scientific”
the quran is, haha! Remember that this “holy book” was written in the Dark Ages, when the Arabs believed martyrs would have 72 virgins in Paradise. Muslims arrive in religious forums to advertise how scientific their quran is, etc. Baloney! The muslims still believe the sun and the moon go around the earth. Surah 36:40 “Neither does it lie in the sun’s power to overtake the moon nor can the night outstrip the day. All glide along, each in its own orbit.” There are other verses where the moon and the sun are mentioned together, because they looked at the sun and the moon going around earth. That is, they say Al ah wrote the Quran, but Al ah didn’t know that the system was heliocentric, the sun the center of our planetary system.
Mathieu N: Why wouldn’t it? That novel was written in the Middle Ages.
Julio: Mathieu N, the verse does clearly say that the Moon and the Sun follow their particular orbits around the Earth in the Arabian Desert.
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in the west and the Sun rising in the east, and being a wise prophet concluded that yes the two celestial bodies went around the Earth but Al ah put them in different orbits so that they never collided with each other, Al ahu Akbar, he shouted once.
Mathieu N: Julio, yeah I know that. The writer of that novel, who was also the guru of a sect, was a man for the Middle Ages. So like nearly everyone from that time, he thought like that. That’s why I’m asking “Why wouldn’t it say that?” I mean it’s not like he was a true prophet of a true God, because there is no prophet and no gods. Sooo yeah, Earth was in the center for him.
Don D: The Koran was not written down for 140 years after Mohammed’s death.
Daniel T: Don D, the geocentric model is from 150 CE or so.
Julio: Daniel T, Genesis 1:1 talks about the same geocentric system, mind you. Mohammad followed the Old Testament. So did the popes, so did all Christians. It is a disgrace that even the Almighty God didn’t know the system was heliocentric!
Lena S: ...and the sun resting in a muddy hole...
Brandon V: The verse you gave doesn’t say the sun orbits earth. What are the other verses that say the sun orbits the earth?
Julio: Brandon V, in quranic poetry the verse does represent the geocentric system believed in the Dark Ages. The other verses also put the moon and the sun together, as examples of Al ah’s wisdom, in such a way that they went around the Arabian Desert without colliding with each other. Another ridiculous matter is the muslims trying to explain that verse 36:40 does not say the moon and the sun orbit the earth. It is a cult. In cults, what is clear is confused, and what is confusing is clear.
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