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Jon A: There is no Afterlife because after nearly 2 centuries of scientific investigation and experimentation, we have a very finely granulated view of what parts of the brain do which things. This part of the brain does math, that part of the brain remembers the names of colors, that part of the brain allows both hemispheres to talk back and forth, that part of the brain allows you to remember the names of your relatives.
You can damage each part of the brain, one at a time and you lose a smal bit of cognitive ability. Yet the religious people want us to believe that when the entire brain is damaged at death, that we are somehow brought back whole at the Pearly Gates with our intellects intact, remembering grandma, what shade of blue to call that, and how to add 2 and 2. Theists want us to believe that the functions of the brain supported by the brain itself, and memories stored in the brain itself, can still be without a brain.
It’s a preposterous concept. Wishful thinking in it’s purest form...
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41 – Jesus’ “Temptation” the result of cannabis?
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Mike M: No.
Kevin C: No because weed doesn’t grow in the desert.
Julio: I have no doubts about it. Not only Jesus, but also his apostles were hashish smokers. Aromatic “herbs” were used in the Tabernacle’s ceremonies, and studies confirm that some of those herbs were toxic.
Yahweh ordered the priest to mix them in fixed proportions, and not al Jews could smell them. Jesus was high on hal ucinogens when he saw the Devil in the desert. Jesus and the Devil talked to each other. The Devil eventual y possessed Jesus and took him to the Temple’s wall and to a very high mountain. All that was the result of excessive use of cannabis or smoking hashish. The intelligent student observes that the story could only be told by Jesus himself, since he was alone in the “Temptation”.
Therefore everything he tel s his friends has no possible verification.
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The way he told the story does clearly represent intoxication with drugs.
Later, the story was told with several amendments and angles by different writers. The gospel going to be called good news starts with its main actor possessed by drugs. It is certain, according to some students, that Jesus spent his youth in Egypt among the Therapeut Essenes, who did use drugs to heal those they performed miracles on. Jesus learned the tricks from the Therapeuts.
Wes C: Julio, pure speculation. And not very good speculation.
Julio: Wes C, it is my interpretation - as good as any other. What’s yours?
Leonard C: Um, everybody knows cannabis was invented by jazz musicians in the 1920s.
Brian T: The story places him in the wilderness without food or water.
This combination coupled with natural stressors on the body can cause hal ucinations. Pulling the presumption of drug use out of your ass isn’t necessary. Also, the Jewish understanding of what Satan is is leaps and bounds different from Christian fiction.
Julio: Brian T, the story doesn’t say anything about water. Some students agree that there was water where he had his hal ucinations, the “desert”.
The entire story is pure fabrication, noting with moral or spiritual lessons.
Yes, sir, no water mentioned, lol. In the short version in Mark not even fasting is mentioned. And if Mark is the original post, then Matthew embellished it with all the other details.
Brian T: Julio, maybe or maybe not. Just because Mark is the earliest that we are aware of, doesn’t necessarily mean that earlier manuscripts didn’t actual y exist. But since we are in the habit of pulling things out of our asses in order to try and justify one particular POV, I could also assume as fact that those earlier gospel accounts were ultimately destroyed in 284
the siege of Jerusalem sometime between 66-73 CE. See how convenient that is? I’m not going to assume embellishment because there simply isn’t enough evidence to prove otherwise. Also, I ain’t the one claiming that someone was taking fat bong rips in the wilderness and that’s why he was seeing shit.
Hope L: This post wins stupidity of the year award.
Julio: Hope L, wel , then it is a winner, lol!
Peter G: It would explain a lot.
Julio: By the way, it is in this story that the intelligent student discovers that Jesus believed in a flat earth. All students know that it was a smal geocentric universe in Jesus’ days. The Devil took him to a very high mountain to see all the kingdoms of the flat plane on a flat planet. It was only sixteen centuries later when final y science discovered that the universe was immense in size and our planetary system heliocentric.
Jesus as a God of the Trinity was an ignoramus in scientific matters.
Spencer G: This clown is at it again ...
Hope L: Spencer G, but he’s probably smarter than you. I thought Julio was an atheist. I thought maybe this shit was a joke.
Don A: Probably not. Much more likely, it was a rye fungus, which contains ergotamine, a precursor of LSD.
Julio: You could be right, you know. It is now known that ergot in bread in those retrograde times caused serious hal ucinations, among other serious ailments. Hence, a possible cause for so many “prophets” in those days.
Spare V: cannabis use by the fiction writer who created the story, perhaps.
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42 – Jesus predicted the rising of Atheism across the world [2]
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Julio: “Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?”Luke 18:8b. You can replace the world “predicted” with
“feared”. Jesus feared the rising of Atheism in the last days! He didn’t know how to fix the situation 2000 years earlier.
Catsy L: Imaginary men can’t fear anything.
Devon H: So could anybody else if they thought people would get smarter with more access to education.
Julio: Devon H, good point. Exactly right. Education and intelligence would quickly find the Christ a liar with his violent manifesto to bring in his violent “Kingdom of God” for Palestine.
Julio: The bad fruit his followers would produce, would result in the intelligent student to abandon him to his violent plan.
Yungsi E: Devon H, one more thing Jesus predicted was that people will become unrepentant during the last days, plagues will be so unbearable to an extent that many would wish death, but death won’t be an available option, they will again curse God for bringing such pain and suffering to them. It’s very clear atheism has come to stay even when they realise God exists, they will still hate him for who he is.
Catsy L: Yungsi, you following the missionaries’ religion is an example of you following the worst example of the west.
Yungsi E: Catsy L, nope. Christianity had been in Africa before 286
colonisation.
Catsy L: Yungsi, the missionaries real y lied to your people.
Yungsi E: C, u seem to ignore the fact that Christianity is everywhere, be it Asia, America, Europe, Africa. So who is lying here?
Catsy L: Yungsi, why would I care where it is? I am not nor will I ever be a Christian. In fact, I look down on the Greatest Lie Ever Told, Christianity, and laugh at the idea anyone can believe in it.
Kyle M: (a) show that Jesus existed; (b) thanks captain Obvious.
Fernando S: So, he knew I was going to ascend and take his throne. How pitiful. Burgers these days.
Dan S: Did he predict the atheism before the invention of his dad?
Robert H: Jesus didn’t predict anything. He wrote nothing. Therefore he could not predict anything. Someone put those words in his mouth. And you inserted your belief to make it say something it didn’t.
Julio: Robert H, yes. There is no way to ascertain that Jesus predicted anything, but Luke tel s us that he was worried about his message turning out to be a massive flop. And it did.
Catsy L: Julio, Luke was not alive when that thing supposedly lived, so he had no idea what it predicted. And Christians persecuted non-Christians for 2000y.
Julio: Robert H, I suggest a scholarly book “History of the Christian Religion to the Year Two Hundred” by Charles Waite, 1900. You can get it for free download from the Internet.
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Robert H: Julio, I’m not saying they were not violent or that atrocities were not committed against Christians. Only that Christians have had a tendency to exaggerate it. Thanks for the suggestion though. However, I will stick with the updated information. In 1881 they had limited information. And people still had a tendency to be superstitious. I will look into it though. I’d suggest you read the book above as it gives you an updated and accurate version of what happened.
Monika: Catsy L, not only non-Christians but also other Christians.
Catsy L: Julio, I am not a Christian. So it’s no reading that book.
Mark B: Even Jesus knew that the story about him was nonsense?
Julio: Mark B, yes, I guess he did. The story that Jesus was a prophet is full of holes. I don’t like him.
Daniel R: More like Jesus complaining that people don’t believe his bul shit. You know there are other religions, right?
Eelco D: Atheism existed long before any deity was made up and it will exist until the last sentient being dies. This supposed prediction is just as worthy as me predicting four wheeled motorized vehicles driving around the planet.
Cybel J: Islam, Atheism and Satanism are getting bigger just as Jesus said.
Vanessa S: Cybel J, false.
Cybel J: How?
Patrick B: Cybel J, were you there when Jesus said those words? Nope.
Cybel J: You may be skeptical that Jesus existed but not of his words...?
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Catsy L: Cybel, there is no word of God. It is the word of ancient men who didn’t know where the sun went at night and raving lunatics.
Cybel J: Wel , but at least Jesus predicted islam... even the old testament talks about how powerful the Arab religion will become.
Julio: ... powerful by tyranny, fanaticism, violence, and later world war?
Elyea R: Cybel J, all of them are the same religion. Christianity included.
Cybel J: Goes back thousands of years back and the prediction are relevant. You may not agree with Judaism but it predicted Christianity.
You may not agree with Christianity but it predicted Islam and Islam and all those subcategories of Christianity, so it is something.
Otto H: Cybel J, I doubt it predicted Islam as that wasn’t a thing. It may have predicted something vaguely similar, but I’m sure the men who wrote the Bible were aware of religions rising in the area and noted what they were seeing.
Cybel J: You are free to doubt but Islam represents the Arabs, that’s also in the old testament. They are from Ishmael bloodline and the predictions are still relevant today.
TJ H: Gee...who could predict that as time moved on, people would get smarter and less likely to buy the bul . How revelatory. Just like being surprised that designating one area as “the holy land” for three different religions might one day lead to strife.
Daniel L: “Matthew 15:9 [GNT] It is no use for them to worship me, because they teach human rules as though they were my laws!”
Catsy L: That thing predicted nothing since he never lived.
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Julio: Jesus never existed?!... I thought so...!
Catsy L: Julio, So you know Jesus is imaginary?
John M: Catsy, you’re not a historian I take it…
Catsy L: No, a realist! Also, only Christian historians believe Jesus existed.
Jerry S: Julio, Jesus wrote and said nothing. People created a story about a legend, whom they never met. But not real. Just because someone wrote something doesn’t mean it is true. Just because you believe something doesn’t mean it’s true.
Julio: Very true. The situation was created by a bestseller writer called Luke, a sinister character with no references to check who the guy was. I don’t like him for all his lies.
Codes S: Jerry S, I believe that I exist, now I want you to prove that I’m wrong otherwise shut up your smel y mouth.
Jerry S: Codes S, wel , that’s not very nice. Have you ever read 1 Peter 3:15+16, or Luke 6:27-30? Perhaps you are not a Christian, or if you are, you are a hypocrite.
Rolf P: Jesus is returning tomorrow, again, apparently. Al ahu Akbar!!
Eric E: Your Jesus Christ Superstar is Mythology.
Julio: Eric E, yes, he is; but I have nothing to do with him, for the record.
Kylie S: Seeing that people didn’t believe he was a god back then, that proves atheists already existed before Jesus.
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Tony C: Kylie S, how does not believing Jesus was god makes a person an atheist? You do know that there are other god beliefs, right?
George N: Tony C, yes, not Jesus in particular, any god or gods.
Douglas J: Kylie S, theists are not necessarily Christians. Fact.
Kylie S: Douglas J, yes I know that, did you read all my comments?
Douglas J: Kylie S, probably not. Late here. My apologies.
Joe L: Stating the obvious isn’t prophecy.
Julio: Joe L, very true, lol!
Ken E: Jesus as prophesied in the Bible is yet to appear.
Mayo M: He also predicted his imminent return two thousand years ago.
And Jesus told his followers to massacre non-Christian.
Dave Y: He did? Was this in the New Testament or Old Testament? Or the fact he didn’t condemn the old Law?
Dave Y: So did you mean the medieval Church violated the Bible teaching?
Pieter J: There were atheists before there was religious fiction like Christianism, or Christianity.
Julio: True. Some of Jesus’ disciples turned atheists after discrediting his death and resurrection choreography, Matthew 28:17.
Catsy L: Julio, imaginary men can’t die.
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death, however it may have occurred. It was only a few that made Jesus into a series of religions (or stories). Whoever Jesus was, we only have stories (not the history) of him. It isn’t even important whether he even existed or not. We have only the story (the Nicene Creed) that Romans chose in 381 CE after they declared every form of Christianity, like the Arian Creed, as well as paganism completely illegal. Atheists, then as now, turned to the reality of the situation and accepted that reality. There’s also a koranic story these days.
Julio: Pieter J, all true what you said.
Peter C: Why are you referencing Luke? I thought you wanted to reference Jesus.
Jackson R: “Not 100% of humans will believe X is true” This is not an impressive prediction.
Clayton P: Did Jesus mention Facebook?
Luke B: I predict atheism will continue to rise. I guess that means my prophecy skil s are at least as good as Jesus’.
Julio: Luke B, I believe it.
Luke B: Where does it say atheism will rise? Do people actual y read Bible verses before they cite them? “Luke 18:8 NIV, I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”
Jason V: Because the heads of the church knew people wouldn’t be easily led forever.
Julio: Jason V, true. And Jesus knew the charlatan he was. Eventual y, the intelligent student would find out that he was another violent christ 292
playing holy and divine. Didn’t fool the intelligent student for long.
Steven W: Do you have any sufficiently credible evidence for the Jesus character of the Bible to have even existed?
Llewel yn R: Yep... Because he knew people will realize at some time what a crock of shit the whole thing is.
Dave Y: Is this a type of ‘prediction’ that is to be in awe and bow down now and ask for forgiveness and start worshipping?
Robin S: Classic cult tactic. Predict that people will start to doubt and not believe the teachings of the cult and then leverage this inevitable fact as some kind of justification for people to stay because “see?! Prophecy!”.
Like... suuuper transparent and obvious cult tactics.
Bradley M: It’s almost as if he knew he was a con and people would eventual y figure it out.
Harry S: Why is a prediction even needed....Why didn’t God just say it plainly instead of some ambiguous ‘hidden’ message for everyone to make a different interpretation? The reason is it was written by men not a god!
Julio: Harry S, I ful y agree. I’ve been calling against this type of religious tripe pushed by religious merchants pretending to be called to decipher God’s messages for me. I utterly reject religion exactly for that. “Hey, Julio, God told me to tell you!” is the second most fundamental lie pushed by religion against me.
Lars A: Wow... “we will make a bunch of irrational claims, and everybody is not going to believe us!”, what a prediction.
Carsten T: Polytheism is older than monotheism and spirit and ancestor worship is even older than that. Also, atheism is not a new invention.
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Howard J: There’s very little evidence for your alleged Jesus and the gospels were written decades after his alleged death. We have no originals and the names attributed to them were done by tradition as we real y don’t know who the authors were. Your argument is weak-ass BS.
Eric P: The time that Jesus Christ supposedly existed is one of the most heavily documented periods in ancient history. Yet there is virtual y zero historical evidence of his supposed existence in any contemporary historical record. It is also important to understand that an absolute reign of terror was instituted when Christianity seized power in the Roman Empire. The Church appointed an official historian of dubious ethics, Eusebius, to write an official history. Meanwhile, Christian launched the largest book burning campaign in history, destroying a vast part of the wisdom and history of the ancient world forever. The Account of Josephus is a Fraud. When discussing the alleged existence of Jesus Christ, one piece of “evidence” that frequently gets mentioned is the account of Flavius Josephus, the famed Jewish general and historian who lived from 37 to 100 CE. In Josephus’s Antiquities of the Jews there is a notorious passage regarding Christ called the “Testimonium Flavium.” “Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as to receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.” (Whitson, 379). This brief piece of evidence which supposedly contributed the best
“proof” of Jesus’ existence has actual y been proven to be a fraud. It has been demonstrated continuously over the centuries that “Testamonium Flavium” was a forgery manufactured by the Catholic Church, and was inserted into Josephus’ works. The Testamonium Flavium account is so 294
thoroughly refuted, that biblical scholars since the 19th century have refused to refer to it, unless to mention its false nature. Dr. Gordon Stein gives a further explanation for this forgery. The History of Jesus: A Reply to Josh McDowel . Another source is The Jesus Forgery: Josephus Untangled. First Written Accounts of Jesus’ Life Occur Decades After His Purported Existence. Most written accounts of the life of Jesus did not exist until a couple decades after his purported existence. These accounts were presented by a number of different authors and had somewhat conflicting stories about his existence. These written accounts are known as the Gospels. Also, it is worth knowing that not all of the gospels that were written even made their way into the Bible. Only four gospels became the canonical writings for the church. The rest were burned, destroyed or lost. Historians estimate that the first written gospel, the gospel of Mark, was written sometime after 70 CE, which means that at the earliest, it would have been written 40 years after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus.
Pliny, Tacitus and Suetonius: no proof of Jesus. Nero’s Persecution of Christians and Mention of Jesus is Highly Doubtful. There is widespread belief that Nero blamed the burning of Rome on the Christians; however, there are many holes in this theory. This belief comes from the account of the Roman historian Tacitus (56-120 CE) about how Emperor Nero (37-68 CE) blamed the burning of Rome on “those people who were abhorred for their crimes and commonly called Christians.” The passage then states that the fire agitators were followers of “Christus” who “was put to death as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate.” The passage then also states that Christians constituted a “vast multitude at Rome”
and goes on to discuss the ghastly ways in which they were persecuted.
However, there are many troubling details about the historical accuracy of this passage. Some critics call into question whether Tacitus wrote this account at al , or if it was yet another forgery. Around the date of Nero’s Fire, 64 AD, there were no “multitude of Christians” in Rome. At this time, there were not even a multitude of Christians in Judea. Therefore, it is highly doubtful that Nero would refer to Christians in this way. This is also the only mention of Christians in the work of Tacitus, despite the fact that he wrote several volumes. Also, the supposed persecution of the 295
Christians by Nero is not recorded by any other historian of Nero’s time.
If the persecution of Christians were real y that widespread, wouldn’t other historians be writing about it? (Truth Be Known). Pliny’s Letter About “Christiani”. In addition to the Testomonium Flavianum, there exists another tenuous piece of evidence that some have tried to use as proof for the existence of Jesus. The Roman Historian, Pliny The Younger (62-113CE), wrote a letter to the Emperor Trajan in 110 CE requesting his assistance in the proper punishment of a group of “Christiani” who were causing trouble and would not bow to the image of the emperor.
According to Pliny, these Christiani would meet before daylight and sing hymns with responses to “Christ as God.” However, this letter does not provide concrete evidence for the existence of Jesus as a person since it makes no direct mention of “Jesus of Nazareth,” nor does it refer to his life. Also, there are many critics who have argued that this letter is a forgery. (Truth Be Known). Suetonius’s Reference to “Chresto.” The last piece of questionable historical evidence we’ll discuss here is the passage in Suetonius’ Life of Claudius, dating around 110 CE. There is a reference in this work to a figure named “Chresto” who caused the Jews to riot in Rome. First of al , if Jesus Christ did exist, it is not possible that he would have been in Rome at this time. Claudius reigned from 41-54 CE, this is at the time of Christ’s alleged crucifixion.
Glenn S: Julio, and you know what Jesus said, how? It’s arguable that Jesus existed at al …
Björn W: Julio. amazing, especial y since atheism is a minor movement compared to Islam which he total y missed…
Julio: Björn W, apparently, he predicted the rising of Islamism, Muhammadism, Russellitism, Covenantism, Adventism, Dispensationalism, Methodism, Baptism, Lutheranism, Romanism, Papacy, Satanism, and many other isms when he told his admirers that many will come in my name and will deceive many. I blame him for all that league of terrorists – those who in the name of christs and 296
prophets spread terror about some eternity of torment or worse. Atheism was severely persecuted throughout the last 20 centuries. But now it is very active exposing the enemy of intelligence. The number one reason for Atheism to rise and grow was and still is the BAD FRUIT religion produces. Christians continue the trend and keep producing more and much worse bad fruit across the spectrum, and will never stop until religion is destroyed by education - not by lethal weapons, not to emulate religion’s violent history.
Ross C: Atheism predates him so not a surprise and the prediction that some people are not going to believe a ridiculous claim; it’s not an impressive prediction.
Theo W: Because poisoning the well fal acy is the go to for false claims that are easily rebutted, or not demonstrable or falsifiable.
Wayne G: You have to do a daily drill so that reality doesn’t wipe all that crap out your mind.
Greg G: Did he ever mention how big Atheism was before they ‘scribbled’
up his story, before he came along? Everyone was an atheist, so he never mentioned the before him scenario, it never happened.
Masibulele Q: Nah you’re wrong, not Jesus; but the people who wrote the Bible knew that there will be people who will question this madness.
Gary K: Jesus, if he existed and said what is in Like 18:8, didn’t predict anything, he asked a question, “…when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” If only what is in Matthew 24:34 was fulfilled,
“Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” If only.
Neil K: “People are going to disagree with my claim that a powerful invisible wizard exists!” What a prophecy! Amazing!
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Ken W: Atheism is not growing, but fanaticism is.
Brian R: That verse has nothing to do with atheists and atheists existed long before any Jesus character appeared.
Avery C: It’s not too impressive to predict a far fetched story, without compelling evidence would lose favor.
Bernhard H: Isn’t it weird how all these people who push unsubstantiated claims “predict” that there will be people that don’t believe them? It’s uncanny.
Jonathan S: Or the writers of the garbage Bible realizing their predictions wouldn’t come to fruition so build in a scapegoat, lol.
Nicole M: Atheism existed long before your religion hit the radar.
Fredrick W: Would have been cool if he actual y “predicted” something that didn’t already exist in his time like computers.
Shannon H: Cool story, but quotes from the Bible do not prove the Bible is true. The Bible is the claim, not the proof.
Jorn P: When putting together grandiose texts like that, make sure to cover the bases, so that almost regardless of what happens, something can be pointed at towards that. Failed prophecy, that still could end up a problem.
Fred S: First of al , bul shit. Second, even if this did happen, so the fuck what?
Chris B: Jesus predicted his return before his apostles were dead.
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Julio: Chris B, he lied. Lied all his life, big liar.
John F: “People will think our BS is BS put in the book how they are fools and how our BS will eventual y be viewed as BS by a large number of people” What a prediction! I’m left unimpressed.
Cheryl A: Wait, you mean he predicted that people would reject crazy nonsense! Wow, he must have been brilliant to predict that! How sad that you think any quotes in the Bible are accurate considering they were written down years after they supposedly were said.
Alan W: He seems to realise the unbelievable nature of his sect.
Ron C: Jesus never wrote a damn word, nor did he say anything to a single eye witness.
Blak N: And I predicted that we would be able to play music on our phones in the 90s. So what?
Sam H: Atheists predate your mythology.
Michael E: That verse has nothing to do with atheism.
Frank H: He also predicted he would be back within his disciples’
generation, and we’re still waiting.
Julio: Frank H, Jesus dispensed a large collection of fibs that other liars converted into sacred scripture. I’m one of the intelligent students he could not fool.
Nick P: Con-artists will always predict being called out before they are called out, to trick slow-minded individuals into thinking it’s not a con, and that everybody else is wrong.
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Lindelwa N: In that case there must be someone who predicted that there would be religions before there were.
Douglas J: Julio, do you ‘fast and give a tenth of what you earn’?
Julio: My friend, I am an intelligent student, one impossible to be deceived by thieves and liars.
Anurag C: When you drive an SUV toward a stop warning sign board, you can slightly predict a crash. Same with being aware of the BS you’re writing or speaking. Ops, how could I not see it coming!!
Julie D: Jesus never predicted anything. Fictional characters can’t predict events, sil y rabbits.
Ezekiel U: They are the people the Bible also refers to as the “scoffers’.
Further reference Romans chapter 1.
Voltairine A: I’m not impressed that a stage magician, faith healer, and apocalyptic preacher predicted that people wouldn’t find his theology convincing.
Phillip T: Ah, yes, authors who wrote about gods said there would be people who would doubt gods. How shocking. Even young children making extraordinary claims often claim that there will be doubters of their extraordinary claims. In other words, theists are as brilliant as young children.
Josh W: I wrote in my diary back when I was 12 that Jesus would not return by my 50th birthday. I’m a prophet and it has been fulfilled...
Jim B: Global y, atheism peaked in 1970. It’s been on the decline ever since. It’s on the rise in Western nations but on the decline everywhere else, in more populated areas.
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Agbesi I: Just try to read the verse; your point is a lie.
Julio: Why do you say so?
Agbesi I: Julio, the verse didn’t say that tho.
Oliver T: Atheism existed before Jesus. You can’t predict what has already occurred.
Todd M: Since no one knows who wrote the Gospel of Luke, the words are pretty useless.
Jol y M: Wisdom. He knew people would not be fooled forever.
Richard R: Christians were called atheists by Romans.
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43 – Is Al ah bipolar in the Quran?
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Julio: I read the book in great distress. It revealed a bipolar almighty, with a serious maniacal depression. I read about Al ah constantly threatening the reader doing him a favour by reading his book. Why would Al ah threaten me while I was doing him a favour reading the story? The quran is a piece of literature with an abysmal posture against the reader. Why would a god like Al ah exist? Seriously, friends, the quran starts right away threatening the innocent reader. Why so, if not an almighty with a bipolar condition?... In the quran, Al ah is very agitated, insecure, unstable. You discover this awful situation immediately from the first sentence “Al ah the most merciful!” I mean, merciful, and next goes off threatening the innocent reader with the most horrid threats ever invented by a writer!?
There are serious and severe problems with Al ah, honestly. I did once pray to Al ah and specifical y asked him “Oh, Al ah, why are you so angry 301
with me, and so angry for millennia, what’s wrong with you, amen.” Gave Al ah three minutes to answer, but nothing came through. Maybe he got very angry and is waiting for a chance to get hold of me for praying my honest prayer...?
Laila J: LOL! Funny AF! I should borrow your material or recruit you to another forum.
Julio: I’m looking for safe groups where I can post my material. Sadly, I don’t last long around religious groups, when they find out the type of poster I am. Have been kicked out and banned from many groups, and reported to FB algorithms, which applied severe penalties like months of membership suspension. Had to close my account a few times. Mostly for debating Islam. I was once kicked out from Youtube, too; for posting about Islam. Was months before some admin reversed the suspension. I was sure I had been suspended and account closed by a muslim moderator.
“Al ah is most merciful” but not his admirers! “Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance” but not his admirers.
Laila J: Maybe he’s gonna sneak up on you, with a big swarm of locusts.
Watch out! He might unleash the fleas of a thousand camels. Or, wait til you’re 98 years old, and when you least expect it, kill you in your sleep.
Julio: Laila J, LOL, this tribal god of the Arabian Desert doesn’t scare me; in fact I am on good terms with him, and rarely we communicate with each other. When I need answers from him I pray. In general, Al ah finds me ok, and doesn’t even bother to answer my prayers. It’s fine with me, and I tell him. We have a peaceful relationship, but not the same with muslims, sadly. Once I prayed to Al ah and asked him if he had a prophet to help his situation. When I told a muslim about my prayer the guy went berserk and threatened me severely and told me that Al ah does not answer such prayers! He was right, Al ah didn’t.
Laila J: LOL, Good to know, there’s not a lot of drama there. Hey, Julio, 302
have you ever seen Atheists vs Christians Debate Central? They could real y use someone with your brains, knowledge, and sense of humor/
material. They’ve gotten boring. I’m not saying they’ll all love it, but many wil . I think these same posts, with god substituted for Al ah are just the medicine that place needs. It needs a little flair. And about 100,000 members. Some do post about Islam. They’re not as strict about it, anymore.
Julio: Laila J, hey, thanks. I was in that group earlier. For some reason I no longer remember why I left. Or I was blocked. Can’t remember anymore.
I could try it again.
Mathew V: Yes, bipolar, yes.
Julio: When did you discover it?
Colin M: Why not ?
Julio: Colin M, yes, all we read in the quran his threats, blessings and all between the two extremes. It is a clear sign of a severe and serious bipolar condition, don’t you think?
Colin M: Yes.
Martial H: He certainly has sexual hangups Lena S: It is obvious when reading the quran that Al ah is no more than Muhammad’s alter ego.
Brent T: You mean was he a psycho?
Don A: Muhammad was. There is no Al ah.
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44 – Never had any problem with God, none 51 comments
Julio: My problem is with rabid fanatics wanting to represent God for me.
Those are the individuals that create bad fruit wherever they go pretending that God asked them to help. Most use classified jargon, like: “God says in the Bible!” … and next quote men, stories that men wrote! In other words, they quote men and call them God. They are religious liars, like their tutors. They will tell lies all the time to pretend that they speak for some God. I have lots of problems with those charlatans and impostors.
“God says!” and they quote men. It is horrible. It happens all the time undetected. Very deceiving, very dangerous, destructive for brain cel s, which are killing in their millions by religious fanaticism.
Abs B: Julio, relax. That’s their beliefs and they are only words.
Harry S: Abs B, if it were only words I’d agree...but religious zealots worldwide impose their detestable uneducated view on mankind on a daily basis.
Andy T: How do you determine your problems have not been caused by god?
Julio: Did you write “god” with a small g? Well done, that’s the answer.
Mike W: Kinda hard to have a problem with an entity that doesn’t seem to actual y exist.
Julio: Mike W, look, I once prayed to God: “Oh, God, do you have problems with me? I don’t have any problems with you. Please let me know, thanks, and good night, amen, in Jesus’ name.” Got nothing. Obviously God had nothing against me.
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Mike W: Julio, it’s kinda hard for some entity that doesn’t seem to exist, to have a problem with anyone or anything.
Julio: Mike W, you’re not wrong. In my prayers - sometimes I pray - I always ask Gods to answer in three minutes, or I will not pray again.
Charne G: Me either. Cos it doesnt exist.
Bobish B: I never had any problem with Bigfoot.
Julio: Bobish B, good answer, lol!
Dan R: Never had any problem with the Easter Bunny... none!
Brian W: Never had any problem with the Loch Ness Monster, none.
Julio: Brian, well put, sir!
Michael B: Because none exists.
Tom P: Michael B, but you don’t know if God does not exist.
Steven T: Tom P, yeah I do; besides, Julio proved it with prayer.
Tom P: Steven T, how?
Michael B: Tom P, there is no proof and it is illogical.
Steven T: Tom P, there is more than enough evidence.
Craig H: I’m sure there isn’t anyone who has a problem with their imaginary friend as they can mold them as they wish.
Julio: Craig H, yes, true. In my case, I never had any problem with any 305
God, none. I even prayed and asked, but no problem was discovered. My problem - serious problem - is with religious rabid fanatics telling me that I have problems with their Gods.
Josh W: Kinda like I’ve never had any problem with the universe farting pixies, none.
Peter C: It’s their followers you need to be wary of.
Harry S: 100% correct...why...no God to have a problem with in the first place.
Daniel R: Seems you’ve never read the Bible.
Brian U: That’s an easy position since he’s not real.
Eric B: Robert B, true, something that doesn’t exist outside of fiction, like a god, isn’t a problem - I don’t have a problem with Superman either.
Eddie C: Most people don’t have problems with something that doesn’t exist.
Kohhran U: Imaginary objects can’t do anything.
Theresa F: Never had any problem with that imaginary creature but don’t get me started on the Flying Spaghetti Monster...that bastard was throwing his meatbal s at me.
Daniel B: Maybe because he doesn’t exist?
Ol y O: No, but religion, however, currently trying to abolish contraception in the US, yeah we have a problem.
Julio: Honestly, folks, I never had any problem with any God, I swear.
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None. None whatsoever. My problem is with religious liars and thieves, pretending that some God asked them to deliver messages to me! “Hey, Julio, God told me to tell you!” That’s the lie. “Hey, Julio, God told me to deliver a message from him to you, and if you call us small-brain-low-IQ
idiots he told us to threaten you with eternal torment or worse!” “Julio, it is our ministry to deliver messages to you from God!” “Julio, if you call us liars, thieves, and small-brain-low-IQ idiots and disturbed fanatics, God gave us authority to condemn you to an eternity of perpetual damnation, or worse!”
Charlie T: So you’re fine that he gave the world malaria and made cancer and made actual evil? Okay.
Rigorbet S: Bless you dear. You are better than many people here.
Brian B: That’s how imaginary beings work...
Kathy B: Me either, not Spider-Man or Hulk too.
Ray S: Neither have I. You can’t have issues with something that doesn’t exist.
John F: I don’t have any real issues with god, he is a character. It’s the writers and the followers that cause the issues. Just like Odin, I have no real issues from the character and his followers are very very few and hardly serious. Also the mythology is way cooler then the Christian mythology.
Larry L: I never had problems with the tooth fairy.
John T: Never had any problems with flying pigs, none.
Sam H: Never had a problem with Darth Vader. None.
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45 – Was God dead for 36 hours?
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Julio: The Pope says that God died on Good Friday at 3 PM, and rose from the dead on Easter Sunday at 3 AM – total time, dead for 36 hours.
I need somebody to explain this mystery. The Bible says that God died to save a few Jews. How true is this?
Dave Y: When I was growing up many businesses closed between noon and 3 pm. And people went to church then.
Terah N: 72, I thought. Then he said “I’ll brb” and flew to outer space.
Julio: Wel , you could be right, because in those days, the days only had 12 hours.
Catsy L: Days never had 12h.
Lloyd C: Terah N, that was after he rose from the dead.
Robert M: Apparently. Which means he didn’t sacrifice anything.
Patrick B: Jesus isn’t God.
Julio: Patrick B, wasn’t at the time. By now, Jesus is a bone fossil.
Patrick B: Julio, if he existed.
Robert B: Patrick B, no evidence whatsoever that he ever existed.
Danel L: Julio , a blind guiding a blind, what will happen?
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Patrick B: Danel L, you’ve been proven wrong about your question. It’s completely possible that a blind guides another blind person.
Dan R: Patrick B, what a coincidence. God isn’t God either!
Mario B: The body died but the God Spirit that dwelleth in the body isn’t.
Julio: Mario B, there is no evidence for that religious story.
Mario B: Julio, where did I quote that I call them God?
Lenza K: Mario B, is that why he dictated contradictory stories? And disgusting murder stories and cutting off the tips of the dicks of men as forms of dowry payment?
Julio: Mario B, ok, sorry. If you quote something from the Bible and you say “God says in the Bible!” then you are quoting men and calling them God, are you not?
Mario B: Lenza K, there are no contradictory stories in the Bible. Can u pls cite a story that contradicts another?
Mario B: Julio nope, it comes from God it is the word of God that is written by his prophets and Apostle.
Lenza K: Mario B, for starters, the two creation myths in Genesis. The contradictions are enormous, unless you spend no time reading your damn scriptures.
Mario B: Lenza Kathomi can you cite those verses you say are contradictory for you?
Julio: Mario B, the very first verse in the Bible is a massive contradiction, a scientific error, a blunder, mythology, nothing true. I am going to post 309
about it.
Mario B: Julio then, post it, sir. I’ll stalk it.
Lenza K: Mario B, I don’t have time for that. Read it yourself. It’s not my work to educate you on your book. Explain why the hell there are two creation stories.
Mario B: Lenza K, you’ve just said a while ago there are contradictions, that’s why I ask you what are those? And now you’re saying “it’s not your work to educate me”!! Lol
Lenza K: Mario B, did I not just tell you about the two creation stories?
Davis M: Stupid question that clearly displays your full ignorance.
Julio: Was God dead or pretending to be dead...?
Mark H: Julio, wel , can you kill a god?
Lloyd C: Julio, Jesus was dead.
Dan R: When we observe theists attempting to explain the concept of the Trinity, it kind of shows why theists have such a high incidence of schizophrenia.
Julio: Dan R, good point, lol. Indeed, they fail to see & understand that if the Trinity existed, they, the schizophrenic, would have no need to try to prove it.
Dan R: Lloyd Cantu II the trinity is false. It doesn’t even make sense.
It’s simply been drummed into your head, and rather than show some rational skepticism, you swallowed the whole ball of nonsense and expect others to be just as irrational as you’re being. And yes, Satan is a god.
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And by the stories in the Bible, he’s more powerful than Jehovah, who wants to overpower Satan, but can’t ever seem to do it. You’re claiming Satan isn’t a god without reason, because to you, reason is completely lost.
And no, you do not see God in anything. You’re told to see God, and you are afraid not to do as the church tel s you. As for the crap that Hovind spits out, when you repeat that utter nonsense, you show the world that you can memorize the irrational, but you’re unable to learn reality. The fourth state of matter is plasma, which Hovind ignores because he’s trying to make a case for three stages in various concepts of reality. Hydrogen doesn’t contain any neutrons and yet, the vast majority of matter in the universe (about 75%) is hydrogen. Hydrogen fuels the fusion in stars.
As for height, length, and width, those are the three spatial dimensions in which we exist, but the fourth dimension is time. And none of that has anything to do with your sil y triune God nonsense. As I’ve already explained (and you ignored), the concept of a triune God was borrowed from older religions. And the one and only delineation of the Trinity in the entire Bible comes from 1 John 5:7-8 which is a known forgery, commonly referred to as the “Johannine Comma” among scholars. It was forged in the 16th century after a group of theologians who preferred the wording in the Latin Vulgate, tried to convince Desiderius Erasmus to change to the Latin wording, rather than staying true to the Greek wording (the original texts were written in Greek). Desiderius declined but offered that if they could locate a Greek manuscript with the desired wording, then he would make the change in his second edition. Desiderius Erasmus was the first to publish a Greek New Testament and that didn’t happen until 1516. Anyway, the theologians forged a manuscript by copying a Greek manuscript letter-by-letter, and then translating 1 John 5:7-8 from the Latin, into Greek, and passing it off as a genuine Greek manuscript.
Desiderius made the change, not realizing it was forged, and that forged wording remains in your Bible today. And that is what you base your understanding of the Trinity upon. You should real y care enough about whether or not your religion is true, to actual y learn a few things about it.
But theism isn’t about truth, it’s about pretending you have reason to feel more secure, and that’s all the attention it receives from the vast majority 311
of believers, such as yourself.
Lloyd C: Dan R, I wish there was a way to show it to your mind, somehow.
Dan R:: Lloyd C, no... it is not true. And you have nothing, nothing of substance, no evidence, not the tiniest wisp of logic, nothing rational or reasonable upon which to claim that it’s true. So sitting here writing “it’s true”, “it’s true”, “it’s true”, is an act of utter irrationality and futility. It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat the lie... it’s still a lie. It’s not true. Almost nothing in that ridiculous man-made book is true. Look, Lloyd, I was a theist for thirty-three years! I understand how it works!
I’ve been on both sides of the fence. And unlike you, I’ve actual y studied the Bible. I’ve studied the work of theologians and scholars from both sides of the fence. I understand how compelling it can seem once you’re convinced that you should fear thinking rational y. I get it. But you are wrong. You say we will see soon. Not according to your screwy Bible.
Read it. None of the sil y crap you swallowed is going to happen. It was supposed to happen tens of centuries ago. If you’d actual y learn what that sil y book says, you’d realize it isn’t true. “Matthew 16:27-28 (Jesus speaking to his disciples...) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall man according to his works.
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming his kingdom. What are both verses talking about?”
Lloyd C: Dan R, not real y.
Dan R: Lloyd C, yes, real y. Again, read it. What does it say, Lloyd? It says that Jesus “the Son of Man” will come (will return... the second coming), to “reward every man according to his works”, and it says this will happen before all 12 disciples taste death. They’ve all died. They all died tens of centuries ago (those who actual y existed). And it did not happen. Even if you read the writings attributed to Paul, he’s not telling the people that sometime in the distant future Jesus will return and the apocalypse will 312
take place. He’s telling the people of his time that it will happen in their lifetimes. As is usual y the case, you don’t real y have a clue what your Bible says. You just listen to people who make their living by marketing lies and sil y stories, and you never bother to actual y study the book itself, for yourself. And then you try to tell people who have studied it, that it’s all true, just because someone told you that it’s true, and you were sil y enough to believe them.
Lloyd C: Dan R, you can tell that you have done zero end-times studies.
Dan R: Lloyd C, bul shit. You can’t change it by making claims you can’t support, Lloyd. I’ve studied the book. I’ve studied numerous scholars.
I’ve studied the relevant works of numerous theologians. I’ve studied the work of a historian who specializes in your religious nonsense. It was supposed to happen in that generation. That’s what your stooopud Book says. Read the damned thing.
Steve H: First you must demonstrate it was ever “alive”.
Julio: ... haha, to be God the guy must be alive, I reckon...?
Steve H: Julio, first you prove it existed then talk about if it died. Don’t you reckon that would be the logical way to discuss this stupid OP?
Felix L: Nope. He has never existed.
Julio: The Pope says God exists; that’s why he is Pope, he says.
Baddext S: Julio you fall back on the pope’s words or fall back on what you actual y believe?
Robert B: Gods have never been alive.
Julio: Robert B, you can’t say that with firm conviction. He could have 313
been alive before you were born, how are you going to discard that possibility...?
Robert B: Julio, I can, until someone provides credible evidence that there is a god who was once alive. Do you have any?
Julio: If God could be dead for 36 hours, he could also do it for thousands of years aeons ago. The Pope says that God was dead for 36 hours, and that must resolve the mystery. He says God died on Good Friday @ 3PM, and returned from the dead on Easter Sunday @ 3AM! Now, how can you dismiss the Pope’s statement?!
Mike M: Julio, “how can I dismiss the pope’s statement?” The same pope that’s allowed and helped quiet child molestation? That’s an easy one, he doesn’t know any more than any other groomer.
Julio: Do you know that 8 centuries ago, the Pope could arrest you and have you tortured for mocking him about God? What happened to the world, where now people mock the Pope and have no fear of being arrested and tortured?...
Robert B: Julio, we grew up and put fantasy imaginary friends, and the idiots who believe in them, behind us.
Danel L: Why do you ask something you make fun of, are you interested to know or are you interested to mock it? I’ve seen a lot of, but you’re #1, but be aware, it brings along consequences... you can’t make fun of God or His Holy Scriptures.
Ross C: Danel L, are you just interested in avoiding the question? You say mocking scriptures with consequences, but that is a claim that you have not shown to be evident. I honestly don’t see any reason to think these scriptures were not just written by flawed men with no gods input. That explains the presence and acceptance of slavery, genocide, incest, torture 314
and child abuse. This would not be the work of an intelligent loving god.
Even if I did believe a god, I would not think those were his words as those are clearly the words of vile men and not a higher being.
Julio: Daniel, is that the official version or only your private opinion? Do you speak for God? Can God not speak for himself without you?
Lloyd C: Jesus was dead. Yes.
Julio: Lloyd C, you’re not saying that Jesus wasn’t God, are you?...
Lloyd C: Julio, God is a triune being. A Trinity: the Father, the Son, the Logos, and the Holy Spirit. Jesus is a second nature within the Godhead that seperated itself to go down to the earth to take on the form of a man.
God the Father resides in Heaven on the throne. But yeah, Jesus is an equal component of God.
Aeon E: The body of Christ died, but the Spirit of Christ did not.
Julio: ... who exactly told you that...?
Aeon E: Julio, I interpret it in that way.
Julio: Fair enough; I interpret it as horse poop. Religion was to be a pastime between meals if nobody got hurt. You interpret the story your way, and I interpret the story my way; just entertainment, nothing dangerous to hurt each other.
Jacktone O: God the Son? Of course yes.
Thomas S: 36 hours of freedom...
Martin C: A day and a half? Don’t you mean 3 days?
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Barietta P: No.
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46 – The Rapture: I bet $20 that it will not happen this year!
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Mario B: Mark 13:32 [32]But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Julio: Mario B, Jesus lied. Very bad liar. Chickened out when some intelligent bystander asked him when!
Mario B: Julio, God created heaven and Earth. He created both humans and animals with opposite sex for them to reproduce.
Julio: Mario, wait a minute. Do you speak for God? Do you represent the Almighty around here, or is that only your private opinion...? Does God need you to be his agent? My friend, a friendly warning to you: do not pretend to represent what you call a Super Almighty God that needs you to speak for him. You do that again and I will be forced to block and ban you for insubordination and insolence, last warning. Play it fair, and all will live happily forevermore here. You misfire again and you’ll be gone.
Mario B: Julio, if you want to see God you’ll gonna die. Exodus 33:20 [20]
And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Julio: Mario! You are not any agent of any God. Stop pretending piety, or I will remove you, last bloody warning!
Mario B: Julio, why are you giving me a warning? For telling the truth?
John 8:32 [32]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
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Julio: Mario, I have no problem with God. Stop plastering ad hoc verses to pretend that you are God’s agent! I never had any problem with any God. My problem is with rabid religious fanatics like you pretending to represent God for me! Very last time I ask you to stop pretending that you speak for God, last warning, and I’m deadly serious, do you understand?
Alex M: Mario B, nope; plenty of people in the Bible have seen God and lived.
Mario B: Alex M, but not the spirit God; that is Theosophy.
Craig H: Mario B, King James Bible “And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”
Greg R: Mario B, for that verse to be true, then Jesus could not be God or part of the Trinity. Period. I’ll bet you didn’t know that it is likely the majority of Christians in the first and probably even 2nd centuries did not believe Jesus was God. And although there is other evidence, this verse (and others) prove it.
Mario B: Greg R, Jesus has Two nature: humanity (the Authentic human body), and Deity (the God Spirit). The human body doesn’t know everything but the God Spirit who dwel s in the Body knows Everything.
As a man, Jesus didn’t know everything (Mark 13:32). As God, Jesus knows all things, (John 21:17). The Spirit refers to the Father (Spirit) and the flesh (human nature) refers to the Son.
Julio: Mario, that’s your baloney interpretation that I reject; your exegesis is a joke, don’t post here anymore.
Greg R: Mario B, said: “Jesus has Two natures: humanity (the Authentic human body), and Deity (the God Spirit). That’s not in the Bible. You just made that up. The scripture is very clear.
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Mario B: Greg R, yes the Scripture is very clear; you must study it well with the Help of God. Pls read James 1:5. About the Dual nature of Lord Jesus Christ pls read 1 Timothy 3:16 and Colossians 2:9 Another one, John 1:1,14, Romans 9:5.
Greg R: Mario B, said: “Yes the Scripture is very clear”. And very contradictory. And nowhere does it say Jesus is God. That is made up by humans. You said: “you must study it well with the Help of God.” You’re a human being. I don’t have any reason to believe any human, book, or religion knows anything about God. And I certainly don’t believe the human Mario knows anything about, nor gets any help from any God.
Are these claims you can demonstrate? Do you actual y expect me to believe you, that a mere human gets “help from God”? And by the way, I probably know and understand the Bible better than you ever wil .
Mario B: Greg, there is nowhere anything contradictory in the Scripture only in the mind of man. Jesus wasn’t created by any human, but he was created by the Spirit. Luke 1:35 [35]And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Julio: Mario, you are misfiring badly, stop it, or I will get rid of you, last warning!
Mario B: Greg R, how could you believe in scripture if you don’t want to read and study it well with the help of God’s Wisdom Julio: Mario, you are overstepping and making yourself the fool around here. Now, suddenly you tell Greg that you are God’s Wisdom?! Get lost, man!
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came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Not a Child created by human.
Greg R: Mario B, I’m very familiar with all these scriptures. But apparently, you’re not as familiar as you think you are. You’ve probably only used one translation and ignore the translations that don’t say what you think they should say. John 1 is very controversial in both translation and interpretation. For instance, millions of Unitarian Christians (in various sects) point out that never does it say the “Word” is, in fact, Jesus. Scholars also have problems with the typical English translations. 1 Timothy 3
does not say “Jesus is God.” Romans 9 is mistranslated in many versions.
This is a better translation: Romans 9:5 whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over al , God blessed forever. Amen. But it doesn’t matter. You will not find a verse in the Bible that comes out and says “Jesus is God.” It isn’t there, anywhere. That is all man-made theology, like the religion itself. You said: “how could you believe in scripture”. Parts of the Bible are true. Lots of it not. You said:
“with the help of God’s Wisdom”. You’re a mere human claiming to have the help of “God’s Wisdom.” I don’t believe you know anything about God if such a thing exists. Nor do I believe the Bible knows anything about God if such a thing exists. In fact, I believe people that claim to have the
“wisdom of God” can be very dangerous and like to do things like fly planes into skyscrapers or storm the US Capitol building.
Julio: Greg R, yes, people claiming to represent God are very dangerous and in general violent. Mario is misfiring badly, and I warned him to stop speaking for God or else I will block him out of here. He is getting on my nerves very badly.
Greg R: Mario B, over and over the Bible uses the term “son of God” when referring to Jesus. There is a reason for this. Because the vast majority of the first several generations of Christians did not believe Jesus was god.
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they could have said so... but did not. Read Matthew 16:16. And John 17:3
makes it pretty damned clear. So, if you actual y knew and understood the Bible, you’d know that any scripture that you believe says “Jesus is God” is likely a modern trinitarian mistranslation. There are far too many verses that make it crystal clear the authors of the new testament did not actual y believe Jesus was God.
Mario B: Julio, I feel sorry for you, sir. If I offended you, I’m Just telling you the Truth. If I got on your nerves, I’m sorry, but I ask you not to block me, please; I have a mission to teach the scriptures. God knows I am sincere with you. Romans 1:16 [16]For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Alex M: Mario B, you’re a Christian, so natural y you don’t know much about the history of Christianity.
Greg R: Mario B, ah, you are Unitarian. Are you Jesus only? If you are Jesus only then you real y have problems with the scripture as it is written.
And like Mark 13:32 is a bigger problem for divine Jesus unitarians.
Alex M: Mario B, that’s weird since Jesus is God. So how can Jesus not know?
Alex M: Mario B, I didn’t ask for an explanation for Jesus’ bodily incarceration. Pay attention.
Alex M: Julio, yeah. Literal y nobody gave two shits about the early Christians.
Mario B: Julio, it’s not Just that time up until now it happens to many believers. 2 Timothy 3:16 [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
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Julio: Mario, men wrote that verse, too. All “scripture” was written by men, including when they proudly said they were inspired by some holy ghost, whatever that was. You can only fool the inattentive victim, not me; I’m a very intelligent student. Did you know that the so-called “Pastoral Epistles” are forgeries from the second century, the time of Marcion, the gnostic heretic? You need to study Manuscript Evidence.
Alex M: Mario B, you quoted Timothy, a well known forgery. Hilarious!
Dan R: Mario B, you don’t need to know the hour or the day. You only need to know that according to the Bible, Jesus told his disciples it would happen before all 12 of them tasted death ... did not happen!
Julio: Jesus lied a lot to his best friends; great liar he was; the gospels are witnesses to that.
Mario B, Dan R, it happened, but like what I’ve said up until now, many Christians or believers were persecuted because of Christ. That’s why I also quoted 2 Timothy 3:16.
Julio: Mario, you keep misfiring, and I already warned you to stop it. You are pushing the boundaries and soon you will be blocked.
Alex M: Mario B, every group ever has been persecuted at some time. Get over it. You Christians are not special.
Brant P: Mario B, and? Because the Bible tel s me so was one of the oldest and more stupid reasons to believe anything is a circular reasoning crap argument and I don’t understand why people don’t see it. You can’t use the Bible to prove the Bible just like you can’t use the Harry Potter book to prove Harry Potter exists.
Brian R: Mario B, but I’ll wager we can know when it won’t happen. This 321
year. It will not happen this year. Guaranteed.
Dave Y: Julio are you a moderator or administrator?
Dave Y: If the Rapture happens, what atheist are you giving your $20 to?
Julio: Dave Y, will give it to the Salvation Army.
Abs B: Julio, you only bet $20?
David P: Bet your life one time. It’s worthless in the grave soon.
Ross C: David P, sounds good to me; I am happy betting that as wel , as the rapture will never happen.
Craig H: David P, as is yours, unless you can prove otherwise.
Dan R: Aha! But you’re cheating! The Bible tel s us that it will happen before all 12 disciples die. And since they all died about 1,900-years ago and nothing happened, it’s pretty obvious that the whole thing is a scam.
Lloyd C: Dan R, that’s a false misconception. There are still a number of prophesies that need to be fulfilled. The biggest, holding out for the last individual to accept salvation.
Danel L: The demons are rowdy today, christians fel as, be alert!
Ross C: Danel L, in other words Christians try not to think about it or you might stop believing fairy tales?
Danel L: Ross C, it is just your opinion and the opinions of your fel as atheists, they aren’t permitted to enter in our house of faith... We, true Christians, are just concerned about your future, there’s darkness everywhere.
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Ross C: Danel L, we are also not able to access the house of fairies. Yes it’s just our opinion like you believing in unfounded claims is just your belief.
However it is not just our opinion that there is no evidence for your god; that’s not just an opinion, it’s a fact or you would have offered evidence by now instead or relying on faith. Final y you talk on the future and darkness, yet there was a time called the Dark Ages and this was when everyone believed in God.
Ross C: Just £20? I would bet every penny I have and my left kidney.
Julio: Ross C, ah, so you are a leftist, haha!
Ross C: Julio, what does this have to do with the rapture? I’m a centralist perhaps slightly left of center but this depends on who’s political compass you are using. I’m in Europe and here I would be considered center but in America I would be considered on the left. In Sweden or Denmark I would be slightly to the right. The important question is what does this have to do with the rapture.
Julio: Ross, nothing, was only pulling your leg, apologies, lol!
Ross C: Julio, lol, that’s ok I thought you were going to connect leftism to communism. I was expecting to be called a godless commie lol.
Daniel R: Weak bet. I’d bet my life that it will never happen.
Nathan N: I’ll bet 20 million.
Julio: Nathan N, that’s risky, don’t you think?
Nathan N: Julio, not at al , lol.
Barbara I: I will bet all my wealth.
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Julio: Barbara, isn’t that risky... rather play it safe, $20 is not much if you lose, haha!
Barbara I: Julio no, not risky at al .
Matthew W: I bet all my internal organs it won’t ever happen.
Julio: Matthew W, man, that’s gory, no need for extremes, lol!
Chris B: You can’t fool me; if I’m raptured up to heaven, I can’t collect.
Julio: Chris B, ... wel , will donate to the Salvation Army, what do you think, deal?
Will S: I’ll bet a hell of a lot more than that.
Regen T: If it ever happens I will resurrect.
Julio: Regen T, you will not, haha! Once you’re dead, nobody wants to see you again, lol!
Donald B: They’ve come up with these dates before, never going to happen.
Julio: Donald B, agree, and I think my twenty bucks are secure, what do you think?
Donald B: Julio, I say your money is quite safe, I’d be prepared to put my house on it.
Mike C: Prove it didn’t just happen, and we were all left behind?
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went around shouting that the Rapture would be on May 27, 2011.
Later he changed to October, and later he died of distress, he was 90 years old or so. RIP, you bloody insolent, amen.
Josh W: $20? You can bet a million. 1, it ain’t gonna happen and 2, even in the worst case that you were wrong, who’s gonna collect? Anyone willing to take your bet will have been raptured, so...
Randy B: I’ll bet $10 000
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Donald B: Joe R, do you know how Christians like sacrificing animals?
John F: I’ll bet 300 it won’t happen in the next five and double down to 600 for the next ten.
Gary Z: If it does, how would I collect? Never mind, I would still be here.
Ubaldo L: I bet you a $100 bucks it will never happen but if your world does come to an end it’ll come like the thief in the night you’ll never know what hit you.
Julio: Folks, I’m closing this topic for now, and if you are raptured, please let us know in time to record the event here to give the twenty to the Salvation Army, goodnight.
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Dave Y: Why is God spoken about as a “he” and a “Father”?
Julio: Dave Y, good question. Because the concept of God is anthropomorphic and misogynistic. Our ancestors looked at women as inferior beings. It is outrageous to call a despotic god our father, while a mother would be a better proposition.
Christopher Y: Dave Y, because he is Spirit and not a sexual being. First he created man and then he created woman out of the man to be his helpmate not the other way around. “He” as his title has to do with his headship authority and leadership, not sexuality.
Julio: Chris A, nothing like that. You are talking about a tale, myth, or fable invented to try to explain what we see around us. However the tale in Genesis is nothing scientific, only absurdities from ancient times. By the way, “spirit” in the old Hebrew was feminine.
Dave Y: Chris, that concept demeans women, by placing women below man’s headship. Why wasn’t God simply labeled as a non-gendered Spirit power? Women are valuable. As or more valuable than men. If no women, there’d be no men. At worst, men and women should be equal, including in leadership roles. Even in ministering, which I believe the Bible was against. It’s like women were to be seen and not heard.
Laila J: Dave Y, in the early Christian days historians say women were deacons, and that was the highest position then. There were no priests.
It wasn’t until later on, some woman hater forged stuff claiming he was Paul. Historians have now deemed forgeries what it is said he wrote in 1st Corinthians, 1st Timothy; all that bulksh!t about women should keep quiet and not teach men, etc. He didn’t want them to have those powers 326
and positions or to be equal to men. But they’ve determined it was written much later than Paul and added like 60 years later. Something like that.
Will grab the lecture and post it.
Jonathan W: How did you establish that he is, in fact, real?
Julio: Jonathan W, I never said God is real. I said that all gods are anthropomorphic in nature.
Jonathan W: Julio, what does being anthropomorphic have to do with whether or not he’s real?
Julio: In religion a “real” God is to be anthropomorphic, personal, man-made, with a beastly human nature. Real Gods cannot be anthropomorphic, in other words; perhaps impersonal, if “they” exist.
Jonathan W: Julio, is to be? Clear as mud.
Robert H: Is there a way to test to see if what people say about god is actual y true for god?
Julio: Robert H, no, of course not. All gods are human fabrications, mainly because of three intrinsic fears our ancestors lived under: [1] fear of the dark, [2] fear of death, [3] and fear of other humans. All gods arrived from those basic fears, so the test can only be done in that medium.
Robert H: Julio, we are not in disagreement for the most part.
Peter C: Pity he can’t answer for himself.
Julio: lol, yes, all gods are deaf, mute and dumb, no mouths, no brains, no existence, eternal y silent in Utter Darkness.
Marla S: WOW! Does ‘God’ speak to you personal y? Why can’t ‘He’
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answer for ‘Himself?’ Is that because ‘He” doesn’t exist? Hmmm? If ‘God’
has something to say to me, ‘He’ can just tell me ‘himself!’ ‘He’ doesn’t need you to do that. There are over 7 billion people on earth right now and he chooses you to speak for him? WOW, dude! You are “special...”
Julio: LOL, what’s your intelligent question about God?
Marla S: Julio, don’t need one, because a god doesn’t exist. It’s a moot question.
Julio: Marla S, so, it appears that your intelligent question would be “Julio, don’t be a fool, do you believe in inexistent gods?”
Marla S: Julio, no, strawman, if I had a question to anyone, the first one would be, “Can you prove the empirical existence of any god?” And the answer will always be “no.” Whoever can prove a god actual y exists in reality, they would be the most famous person in the whole history of humans.
Julio: Marla S, agree. I am as positive as you about the inexistence of personal gods.
Marla S: Julio “personal gods” as opposed to ... ?
Julio: Marla S, “Personal gods” means those gods cloned in the human mind, aggressive, wrathful, beasts in their anthropomorphic nature.
Marla S: Julio, what other kind of ‘gods’ are there?
Julio: Marla S, we don’t know, do we? Maybe an impersonal “god” or Force, or Energy, or Vibrating Ocean, maybe a “Goddess” total y independent from any creature’s inspection, who knows.
Marla S: Julio, we do know. There has never been any empirical evidence 328
of any gods, ever.
Julio: Marla S, correct. I never said otherwise.
Marla S: Julio, well okay then!
Colin M: Marla S, as well as mental y il .
Louis S: Julio, can God be physical y seen?
Dan R: Julio, when did God assign you as his spokesperson?
Julio: Man, that does not register as an intelligent question about God. It registers as an unnecessary question about me. Please, try again.
Dan R: Julio, it speaks to your credibility or lack thereof.
Julio: Understood. All I said is ask me intelligent questions about God, nothing else. Please, ask an intelligent question about God, thanks.
Steve H: Julio, why doesn’t it speak for itself?
James C: Julio, Dan did ask you a question about god. He asked you for a clarification as to your credentials for being able to speak on its behalf.
This is a question about god’s decision matrix in choosing to anoint you as the aforementioned spokesperson. Steve simply rephrased the question.
Marla S: All preachers say “What God meant to say was ...” the charlatans.
Julio: Agree, lol! All preachers are religious charlatans, I’ve said that hundreds of times around here.
Brian W: Why is it necessary for a sentient being to create the universe?
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Julio: Wel , that is an intelligent question about God, indeed. Answer is I don’t know if that sentient being exists. Do you believe that “being”
exists?
Brian W: No I don’t. The word god means different things to different people. I have no use of the word to describe anything that exists. For me the word is only useful for referring to the beliefs of other people.
Richard T: Does God believe in a god ??
Julio: That does not register as an intelligent question about God, but let me try to answer it: I don’t know if it makes sense to ask such a question, haha!
Richard T: Julio, let me put it another way, does God question its existence?
Julio: That’s a better question, thanks. If an impersonal God or Creator existed, obviously it [sic] would never question anything. I hope I understood your question properly.
Richard T: Julio As clearly as expected.
Steve H: How did you become its spokesman?
Julio: Steve H, hey, where did I ever say that?...
Steve H: Julio, why can’t your weak God speak for itself?
Craig H: Julio, when you said you’ll answer questions about your god, you became his spokesperson.
Brian A: Is God loving?
Julio: Brian A, no; the “personal” gods of the “holy books” are beastly 330
in their anthropomorphic nature. No love, no nothing except cruelty, wrathful reactions to our natural fears and troubles.
Brian A: Julio, do you think god is worthy of worship?
Julio: Brian A, no, never. As I said, anthropomorphic gods are cruel beasts demanding admiration under the threat of severe reprisals if arguing against it. We do know about two of those coarse beasts: Yahweh of the Bible, and Al ah of the Quran. Two horrible beasts for the price of one, as it were.
Laila J: Funny, and still true.
Danny H: What worldview do you have or religion are you?
Julio: Danny H, sorry, but that does not register as an intelligent question about God, please try again.
Danny H: Julio, it’s difficult to ask you a question if it isn’t clear what perspective you are coming from.
Julio: Danny H, understood.
Peterson K: Does rejecting the concept of God, or gods, as it were, run the risk of humankind imbuing the religious into something else, say, political ideology?
Julio: That doesn’t register as an intelligent question about God, but let me try to answer. Political ideologies are [always] for or against the concept of “God” - has been like that for the last 60 centuries of known history. Those against the concept of “God” do try to remove “God” from our human nature, mainly for the bad fruit religion and gods produce, but ultimately it will not happen in this realm where fear is a permanent component of our life.
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John T: Julio, isn’t fear that drives the beliefs in a god? Like the love me or burn mantra?
Glenn C: Which “god”? And why that one... and not one of the other gods? Why can’t your god make everyone believe in just him, and not all the other gods? What sort of a god wants absolutely everyone to believe in it, but doesn’t want to provide any evidence for its existence ?
Julio: Too many questions in one dispatch. Some of them have already been answered. Kindly read other comments.
Jonathan H: Glenn C, these are all intelligent questions that must be answered. Julio, if you can’t comply, don’t make the status.
Julio: Jonathan H, apologies if I missed any question. I will answer all the questions I see.
Julio: Daniel B, no, I never said anywhere that I am a Christian. Maybe I’m a distraught solipsist. About “which god” I already answered this question a hundred times: the recycled gods, made of cheap plastic, all man-made, anthropomorphic in nature, very bad, unbalanced, full of anger, wrath, and evil in nature.
Jonathan H: Julio, and I apologize for not seeing any of the other comments stating the questions you have answered because I didn’t see them.
Peterson K: Why do you think that the main and most authoritative way in which God, as it’s been conceptualized, communicates his will and statutes is through the written word in the form of cultural artifacts?
Julio: Peterson K, good question. Already explained that all gods are anthropomorphic in nature. There are no personal gods that attend to specific situations. Do you agree?
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Peterson K: Julio, I think there’s more to that. I think that at its root, Big Gods—as opposed to more animistic concepts like ancestors, demons, faeries and so on— are mainly stand-ins for Culture with capital C.
The Abrahamic religions in particular, engage in a peculiar worship of the written word, whereas in more traditionalist, hunter-gatherer and pastoralist societies, orality is given centrality. It’s almost like that without record-keeping and specialization, God, as we’ve come to know it, wouldn’t have been possible.
Julio :Peterson K, I agree. The problem with the concept of an Almighty God out there to protect us is unrealistic. Why would that Super God pushed and sold by religions be so unstable that for minor aggravations would lose all moral bearings and attack us to satiate his evil nature?
That’s the problem with religions: they are used to create fear which is used to overpower the weaker.
Peterson K: Julio, they can definitely be, and have been, cooped by nefarious agents in order to create fear and therefore conformity. But in its primitive form, religion seemed to hold more positive societal value than this tool for social oppression. Take note of the San Peoples, Pacific Islanders and iTaukei from Fiji. They all have one form or another of religiosity that include some forms of divination, ancestral worship and food taboos. Some of them are very egalitarian, like the Bushmen, with men and women, engaged as they are in division of labor, and buoying relatively equivalent social standing within their respective bands.
Michael R: Why can’t I just ask god my question directly?
Julio: Michael R, good point. First of all you must reject any intruder trying to speak for God or Gods. If Gods needed agents, those Gods could not be real. Do you agree?
Michael R: Julio, I don’t trust those who speak on behalf of their god.
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J L: Does god have an opinion as to the correct religion, denomination and holy book? And which version of that holy book, and does he want us to know this information?
Julio: J L, no, there isn’t one God that needs your opinion about anything.
In fact, my persuasion is that there isn’t any God out there, particularly a personal one that attends to human pleas. Agree?
J L: Julio, agreed, but not sure how ‘He doesn’t exist’ as an answer, pushes the debate further…
Julio: J L, I’m ready to try to answer other questions.
Predrag Š: Why are there 3000 gods?
Julio: Good question, although already answered elsewhere. All gods are anthropomorphic beasts we humans cried to for help. Some of us, the more business oriented, went out and cast some of them into rocks, metal, plastic, and painted them with exquisite varnishes to make them attractive and easy to kiss. Ask the Pope how it is done, especial y with his goddess Virgin Mary, which he endeavours to paint with the most expensive varnishes for Catholics to hug and kiss. Obviously the guy is not stupid to leave the casting raw, with no paint and no polish, because no catholic would ever buy such an ugly idol, much less hug or kiss! So, the more gods the better for business, hope you understand.
Dave Y: Why did God require Jesus to die for everyone’s sins, and that would suffice? As opposed to God either not requiring a sacrifice? Or at best, making every sinner repent and perform some sacrifice?
Julio: Dave Y, that’s an unsubstantiated Jewish story. Impossible to exist an Almighty God that needed a violent plan to fix a problem. Don’t trust any story of that nature.
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Dave Y: Why did Jesus, as God’s human spokesman, get approved by God, when Jesus seemed loving and forgiving, and God the Father as a vengeful killer?
Julio: Dave Y, I agree it is all bul shit invented by the Jews of 2000 years ago. Must never trust those Jewish stories.
Dave Y: Yet Christians believe the Bible hook line and sinker. It could say anything and they would believe it. Basical y it does say anything goofy.
Dave Y: Does the Pope have a website where he answers questions?
Julio; Dave Y, I don’t know...
Dave Y: I haven’t bothered to look. If bored, I might. Is Benny Hinn a true believer? How about Joel Osteen?
Julio: Dave Y, both charlatans, impostors, and crooks, but their victims are too gullible and naive to see it, sadly. If I had it my way, those two individuals and others of the same type would be arrested and sent to the coal mines of Siberia to learn an honest trade. They would not escape justice for all the lies they push and sel .
Carlos B: What god do you worship ?
Julio: Carlos B, none; I do not bless any personal God.
Carlos B: So you will answer questions about any god?
Julio: Carlos B, yes, I will try, because in general most questions are not too hard to answer. Try one.
Paul S: What makes you qualified?
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Julio: Paul S, nothing; only answering questions about God; please ask one.
Robert B: There aren’t any. People that ask questions about a fake being aren’t intelligent, therefore aren’t worth conversing with.
Julio: Robert B, oh, come on, it’s only an inoffensive form of entertainment, is it not?
Susan M: Why is it that God doesn’t speak for himself? Why does he need human beings to tell other human beings what he wants?
Julio: Susan M, that’s my contention always. I am very angry at any God that needs agents to deliver messages to me. Geezuskryst, nothing makes me angrier than an Almighty God asking for help!
Kobus L: Where did god come from? What is it made of? Who created it? What objective, verifiable and reproducible method was employed in order to obtain aforementioned information?
Julio: Kobus L, hey, you are overflowing the board with questions, lol!
Already explained this matter succinctly in earlier comments. Where did God come from? The popular Gods came from intrinsic fears we have.
Michael S: Is there any way you could discover that there actual y are no gods? In other words, do you have any criteria for what would falsely be your belief in a god?
Julio: Michael S, there are no personal gods, none. Easy to confirm and prove: because they are all dependent on humans to be popular. Also, another important aspect is the bad fruit their admirers produce, and the aggravation they display when confronted with intelligent questions to explain all the above.
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Michael S: Julio, well stated.
Julio: Thank you.
Anton M: Is there anything rational to warrant belief?
Julio: Anton M, hey, I can answer that question very quickly, but it didn’t register as an intelligent question about God, I’m afraid. Try again, please.
Julie D: Why do you believe in an absolutely imaginary being like god?
Julio: Julie D, ... huh...? Where and when did I say such a horrible thing...?
Julie D: Julio, no, there’s nothing sensible or rational about believing in imaginary beings. I haven’t found one was there, not one. It’s not even possible. That would be like claiming you’re a truthful liar.
Laila J: LOL!
Gary Z: Has god ever tried to convince someone of his existence and failed?
Julio: Gary Z, no, never, and will never do it, because there is no personal God out there in need of any convincing. Please try another question -
that one was very easy to answer.
Colin M: Do you have proof?
Julio: Colin M, if you mean proof of God, that does not register as an intelligent question about God. Please rephrase your question and I will try to answer, thanks.
Rodger W: Is your concept of God trinitarian, and why or why not?
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Julio: Rodger W, “my concept” of God is of an impersonal entity, if that.
Trinitarianism is a crime. Remember Calvin killing his former friend Servetus for disagreement on this religious curio?
Joe M: Which one? Are Goddesses included?
Julio: Joe M, already answered that same question a hundred times, I’m tired.
Joe M: Julio And we will continue to ask that question until we get an honest answer.
Julio: Joe M ... but I’m tired of answering it, lol!
Joe M: Julio, which god?
Eddie C: Until you can prove there is a God, there isn’t any need to ask any questions.
Josh W: Yves D, God hasn’t been disproved. Aliens haven’t been disproved.
Both options are available. Actual y, aliens are more plausible but let’s say both options are available.
Yves D: Josh W, did this woman tell you that an alien gave her the prediction of yesterday. I remember her saying because of her relationship with God and he speaks to her through dreams. Now you’re going to sit there and say you don’t believe that because the ways of God are foolish to those who are of the natural thinking.
Julio: Yves, men wrote that baloney “the ways of God are foolishness”
etc. It wasn’t any God that wrote that, do you understand this exegetical basic?
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Josh W: Yves D, no, I’m going to say: since she doesn’t contain all knowledge, she doesn’t have a way of differentiating the relationship she has is with god or aliens. How did you falsify that the aliens didn’t lie to her? If they tell her they’re aliens, she’d be scared but if she believes it’s her god, she’s open to the relationship.
Yves D: Josh W, I often see that you try to analyze and speak for others as if these individuals are confused children and you are the adults.
Josh W: Yves D, look, it’s a bad video for both reasons. 1, not a stretch to predict a hurricane if FL. She didn’t even provide a date, month, or even year. So yeah, at some point, she’ll be right. 2, aliens...
Yves D: Josh W, oh my God, so you know her better than she knows herself and what she knows about?
Josh W: Yves D, no, but she has no way of knowing if aliens are lying to her or not. If you’re honest, you would see that.
Yves D: Josh W, you are talking about aliens and she is talking about God.
Josh W: Yves D, she’s talking about aliens that pretended to be god to her so she thinks it’s god. Prove me wrong.
Yves D: Josh W, that’s your rationalization kicking in because she routinely has visions from the same God.
Josh W: Yves D, you mean the same aliens. You haven’t proven it’s not aliens. When will you realize all you have is “I real y real y wanna believe”?
Yves D: Josh W, you’re the only one talking about aliens.
Josh W: Yves D, you haven’t proven it can only be god. It could be aliens, it could be her imagination, it could be a new evolutionary trait we don’t 339
know about yet. That’s the part you’re not getting. You’ve taken your conclusion and are doing anything and everything you can to make it fit.
I’ll accept it’s god when all other options have been falsified. You assume it’s god without trying to even falsify it.
Yves D: Josh W, you keep pushing these irrelevant arguments like I’m supposed to actual y answer them.
Yves D: You can inject anything that is rational to you and you know better than the person that is actual y telling you.
Josh W: Yves D, no, you’re not. You’re supposed to realize you’re assuming it’s god without good reason. You’re supposed to first falsify and if you can’t, then you refrain from accepting until it can be demonstrated to be the case. You’re not using logic, you’re using confirmation bias.
Yves D: Josh W, you cannot sit there and not watch something and just draw your own conclusions.
Josh W: Yves D, and that’s exactly what you did. You drew a conclusion based on your confirmation bias, not based on falsifiable evidence. You want to believe so you jump to that conclusion. There is nothing in that video that is compelling for anyone who doesn’t already want to believe.
For people like me, open to credible evidence for god, that video has nothing.
Yves D: Josh W, I know you didn’t watch it while you’ve been talking to me. You’re not going to acknowledge that I am right because that would destroy your coping mechanism.
Josh W: Yves D, we’ve been at this for how long? I couldn’t have watched a 7 min video? Besides, based on what I’ve told you about the video, it should be obvious I have watched it. You just don’t understand why someone else doesn’t share your confirmation bias.
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Yves D: Josh W, yeah, anyway enjoy your night.
Josh W: Yves D, enjoy your delusions.
Yves D: Josh W, we are not bound by your physical constraints and that’s why we enjoy benefits of our God. Josh, remember you gave that up because you didn’t want to believe or accept and you chose to go at it alone.
Josh W: Yves D, if you say so but that’s just nonsensical assertions.
Yves D: Josh W, we’re only sharing, the experience is what is fun.
Josh W: Yves D, nobody but people with their assertions made any offers.
Prove the assertions and we could have what to talk about.
Yves D: Josh W, call it whatever you like, we are only touching the surface.
Josh W: Yves D, if it’s not delusions then you must have a method of distinguishing real from imaginary. What method do you use and how did that method demonstrate that your god isn’t imaginary?
Yves D: Josh W, I don’t have time to go back and forth with your slapstick if you have something relevant to say, now is the time.
Tom P: Atheists will not be able to ask an intelligent question.
Julio: Tom P, that comment didn’t register as an intelligent question about God. Another bad post like that and you shall surely be blocked, no more warnings!
So I: What do you mean by intelligent questions about god? It’s like saying I will answer intelligent questions about the tooth fairy.
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Julio: So I, what’s your question - stop beating around the bush.
Anthony T: Why would he use the same barbaric justice system as bronze age scribes that we know are immoral?
Julio: Anthony T, let’s see: Are you referring to the tribal idol Moses fabricated to scare the Jews? That justice system was man-made, barbaric, cruel, and criminal.
Daniel R: Why doesn’t god answer them himself?
Julio: Daniel R, wel , have you heard about any god answering anything in the last 40 centuries of human history? I haven’t.
Phillip D: Julio, what makes your god any different from all the other gods people have mistakenly believed in?
Julio: Phillip D, what “my god”?... That’s not an intelligent question about God, is it?
Phillip D: Julio, yes, it is. There are many different gods. And many creator gods. What makes “God” any different from the other gods people have mistakenly believed in?
Jon K: No such thing but a “unicorn”.
Julio: Jon K, what’s your point, your intelligent question about God?
Jon K: Julio, no such thing. Fictional characters are only limited by the imagination they originated from.
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afraid of answering any of your questions, provided they are intelligent and balanced. Sadly some questions are simply ridiculous and some absurd. Don’t push yourself too far, because I can block the abusers.
Already blocked quite a few around this topic for their insubordination and rudeness.
Joe M: Which god are you talking about?
Julio: Joe M, ah, good question, LOL! I answered it a hundred times, Joe, my friend. I said “personal gods”. Do you admire any of those? By
“personal gods” I mean every popular god being pushed and sold around our districts and suburbs. I know there are senior and junior gods out there, but the best ones for business are the popular ones, sold by the Pope and by your local priest in your suburb.
Perry L: I heard that God knows everything. So does God know how many aliens visited the earth during the millions of years that the dinosaurs were on planet earth?
Julio: Wel , I don’t think so, no.
Perry L, Julio, well that’s lame, if he supposedly created everything you’d think he’d know how many beings he created. I mean now that even the government has admitted that UFO’s are real and there’s a damn good chance that they’re operated by aliens, God must have created aliens too and should have knowledge about their numbers and their visitations on earth.
Julio: Perry L, we humans are aliens, but that is a different topic altogether, see you later.
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Bjørn N: If Jesus rose from death and went back to where he came from, alive and wel , exactly what did he sacrifice for? My answer is that Jesus did not sacrifice anything, besides a little time and some pain for a few hours. He certainly did not sacrifice his life.
Julio: Bjørn N, agree with you.
Matt P: Bjørn N, Jesus sacrificed his weekend for your sins.
Bjørn N: He was inconvenienced for our sin!
Julio: Bjørn N, good point. He was dead for 36 hours, as I posted the other day. But maybe not even dead, dead; just pretending, with one eye closed and the other semi-closed, slowly moving his head, checking the surroundings to see if anybody believed him as the saviour of the Jews.
Stíofán M: A 2 part question. 1) Do you believe the universe was created?
2) If so, Can you best describe for me what your idea of the creator is and how it came to be? Thanks.
Julio: Stíofán M, sorry, sir, but your question does not register as an intelligent one about God. It’s not about what I believe, apologies. Please, try again.
Stíofán M: Julio, yes it does. You’re obviously just not able to answer it so you’re avoiding it.
Julio: I can answer any question about god. Try and ask one.
Stíofán M: Julio, yes and you were just asked a 2 part question about what that possibly might be in your opinion.
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Julio: Stíofán M, OK, kindly put the question again, and if it is about God I will gladly answer.
Brian M: Which god?
Julio: Brian M, oh, God Almighty help me, not that question again, please!
Answered it a hundred times around here.
Laila J: Why does god hate the god named Chemosh, so much? And the others not as much?
Julio: Laila J, Yahweh also hated Baal, and other partners. It is a bloody violent setup of God hating God, like dog hating dog. And we, innocent humans, in the middle of the battle. There will be a Final Judgement to put an end to all of them!
Ross C: Ok, can you give me the best piece of empirical y confirmed evidence that supports the existence of a particular god over any other explanation that is not a logical fal acy?
Julio: Ross C, sorry, sir, but your question does not register as an intelligent one about God. Please, try again.
Ross C: Julio, in other words you are unwilling to answer it. If you can’t answer it that’s ok but it’s definitely an intelligent question asking for reliable evidence for god. If you can’t answer that question then I don’t think you are wanting to answer questions unless you think they are easy questions. So by intelligent questions you mean easy ones that you can answer using standard apologetics.
Julio: Ross C, I already explained the story about anthropomorphic gods a hundred times. It looks like you didn’t read anything around here, am I wrong?
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Ross C: Julio, I didn’t see you give any explanation to anything; you asked people to ask a question and I did, then you refused to answer it.
Julio: I did clearly explain that I do not believe the existence of any God.
My explanation was that all gods are anthropomorphic in nature. Didn’t you see any comment explaining this?
Ross C: Julio, no that was not in your original post where you said you would answer any intelligent question about god. Your post didn’t give any indication to your stance in any god, but given the usual stance of people with posts worded like this I had nothing to go on. I didn’t scroll through all the responses and history of posts before asking my question so I think it’s s bit off that you would assume I know your position before you share it with me. Also you could have answered my question by saying there is no evidence for any god and that you don’t hold this position.
Abhinav P: Do humans have free will?
Julio: Abhinav P, I’m afraid that is not an intelligent question about God.
Some other time I will answer that question, because it is rather a serious matter. Good night.
Katherine R: Which God do you have insight into, and how did you come about gaining this insight?
Julio: Tired of answering the same question - please scroll down for an answer. Folks, I’m tired and going to sleep. Keep asking your intelligent questions about God and I will answer tomorrow. Be happy. Good night.
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Julio: My desire is that you learn about these two fundamental lies in the 346
lips of all preachers holding some holy book: “God says here!” “God says in His Word!” “God says in the Bible!” “Al ah says in the Qur’an!” “The Qur’an is the word of Al ah!” First big, fundamental lie: quote MEN and call them God! Second fundamental lie all fundamentalist adversaries use:
“God told me to tell you!” “Julio, God called me to be his agent!” [Of course they don’t use the terms agent, courier, or dispatcher - they apply more elegant and more deceiving jargon like “minister-of-the-word”, “pastor”,
“missionary”, “prophet”, “bishop”, “cardinal”, “pope”, etc. “Julio, I serve the Almighty God!” “Julio, I dedicated my whole life to deliver God’s Word to you!” It is a miserable midget God that needs help from those “servants”
to deliver a private message to you and me. I restate what I said earlier: I never had any problem with any God! All the problems I have are from those con-artists playing pious to get undeserved recognition. My unshakable principle: You can reject any God that to send you a message had to write a book. You can reject any God that needs help to deliver a message to you and to me. Religion is run by rascals pretending to speak for some God. Avoid them like the plague.
Jamie C: Julio, how about self-evident truths and natural laws that can only come from a creator? Is it not important to point them out and teach them to people to make our lives together better?
Julio: Jamie C, yes and no - it is a grey area, at best, in my opinion. The two fundamental lies stand under any scrutiny. You do not have any authority to represent any God. Much less to stand in the market square and shout God told me to tell you. Or raise a book in the air and shout God says here in this book.
Jamie C: Julio, okay but take that thought line out. If God wanted to reach out to us but he can’t get to us due to our fallen nature, which is the Judeo Christian worldview, how do you suppose he would speak to us?
Scott W: Yes. 1) There is no God! We are accidents of nature in a godless universe! 2) We must destroy God! If we hate Him enough, maybe He’ll go 347
away! 2 big lies in atheism.
Joe Gregory: Scott W, if you cannot provide verifiable evidence of your, or indeed any gods, but maintain god or gods factual y exist, then you are, by definition a liar.
Julie D: Scott W, if you have even a single working brain cel , you’ll know that premise 2 fails entirely as you don’t hate what doesn’t exist. Poor delusional child.
Kobus L: Scott W, you first have to prove your imaginary god is real with peer reviewed, objective lines of verifiable, falsifiable, and reproducible evidence before you can proclaim 1 false. Point 2 is just utterly ludicrous as you can’t hate that which have no evidence supporting their objective reality.
Anthony T: Lie 1: There is a god. Lie 2: The Bible is a book of morality.
Jacktone O: Which lies are those? (Christian here).
Julio: For God’s sake, read the first post on this topic!
Julie D: Jacktone O, Lie 1: God exists. Lie 2: The Bible is historical truth.
Jacktone O: Julie D, Ok. 1) prove that lie 1 is true; 2) prove that lie 2 is true.
Jacktone O: Julie D, please, you’ve made claims. Can you please prove that those claims are true? Or do you want to do what I know you for?
Jacktone O: Kobus L, stop the diversion. I need those lies proven.
Kobus L: Jacktone O, prove your imaginary god first sweetie.
Jacktone O: Kobus L, it was your cal , or that of the author.
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Tom P: Why do you care? You don’t believe in God.
Kobus L: 1) Their purported god is real, 2) Their purported heaven, hel and the afterlife are real.
Julio: The two fundamental lies are cruel y destructive when they use them on their own children.
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49 – Who is happier: believer or atheist?
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Alexandros A: Heroin addicts, but not about anything real, just like believers.
Julio: Alexandros A, good answer, I guess, lol.
Kobus L: Alexandros A, exactly, their bul shit acts as an il usionary placebo that gives them the impression they are happy. But happiness is subjective, so you cannot real y quantify happiness truly objectively.
Alexandros A: Kobus L, actual y, no. Happiness is an emotion, and emotions are produced by neurotransmitters like dopamine, released in synapses, and regulated for reuptake by other neurotransmitters, like serotonine. So, happiness does have a unit, a single dopamine molecule released. What causes that release is subjective in part, as it is self trained by previous experience. And the religions provide ample experience not to feel happy. Like fear of bodily pain while in immaterial form. See now why they prefer to teach this stuff to kids?
Kobus L: Alexandros A, everybody has different definitions for happiness and when they consider themselves happy. If the release of dopamine is 349
variable then I am correct in saying that the state of happiness is subjective.
People’s expression of dopamine receptors would play a factor as wel as that is variable too. Drug and steroid users get highs for a while but overuse causes the receptors to become desensitized. Same thing happens with insulin intolerance. Afterlife is their placebo and their salvation /
redemption which serves as a placebo effect for happiness and people can actively fool themselves into feeling happy even though they are miserable.
We see religious dogma as fear mongering but that is not how they see it.
Alexandros A: Kobus L, I agree, as long as “placebo effect” is a statistic on pain testimonies by subjects, and not some magic healing. In comparison, theists just say they are happy, while they consume their bitter lives criticizing others from their subjective ethical viewpoint.
Kobus L: Alexandros A, exactly, it’s fake happiness.
Kobus L: Alexandros A, clinical trials are usual y double or triple random blind studies where there are Nocebo and Placebo controls as we know from experience that the mind can play tricks with oneself.
Jennifer L: True believer. The atheist with the middle finger profile pic says it all.
John S: Jennifer L, u may be happy but you’re insane.
Jane S: Jennifer L, how do you know you are happier than me?
Jennifer L: Jane S, you like darkness.
Jane S: Jennifer L, no I don’t.
Jane S: Jennifer L, you do.
Julio: Jennifer L, tell us what in your opinion is a “true believer”.
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Mike M: Julio, I can speak for her, after reading dozens of her posts. A
“true believer” believes in God, Jesus, Qanon, DJT, and every conspiracy theory you can imagine. Everything is a lie.
Salvatore V: I have seen more cynicism, anger, sadness and despair coming from many of the atheists in this group than I have seen coming from Christians.
Vanessa S: Salvatore V, evidence, please?
Craig H: Salvatore V, are you going to admit that christians insulting people is fine?
Dave R: Salvatore V, religion does give comfort and provides community.
Atheism doesn’t provide that. Theists do score higher on tests measuring happiness.
Elyea R: Dave R, atheists don’t have the stress we all have. It feels good to not have shackles on our brains.
Sam W: I don’t care. I’m not an atheist because it could make me happier, I’m an atheist because I don’t believe a god exists.
Julio: Yes, but at the same time you are a happy chap, am I right?
Sam W: Julio, general y yes, I am a happy chap.
Jon P: Which is redder, scientific models or mathematics? Your options are unrelated to happiness; I’d say given the choices you’ve put forth, it exists equal y. Now ask me which one is most likely true (it’s not god claims).
Jesse E: I have been happier since leaving Christianity. I feel the choices I make matter and everything is not part of some divine plan.
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Peterson K: Jesse E, I can real y relate to that. I myself have forsworn of my prior religious affiliations primarily because it failed at the most important thing it was intended to provide: meaning. But that’s probably also a function of my not being neurotypical. Mentalizing and bonding comes particularly hard to me. Also I seem to have an obsession with detail and the ability to recreate from first principles models and cosmologies. Now although it might not appear so, it has historical y been an encumbrance.
It entails a dependence on rational thought where automated response would usual y kick in. Not necessarily the cognitive package one would want in the Pleistocene, but that’s been made more “adaptive” in modern society. But then again, religion never made me miserable either. It just didn’t make the intuitive sense it’s supposed to. Social awkwardness meant that I didn’t care much for the communal aspects of it, and a heightened attention to detail and necessity to work problems from the bottom up meant that articles of faith were all but unappealing to me. But what made me happier, as it were, isn’t simply the fact of leaving religion so much that there’s a sense of an ineffable component to my journey as a free thinker just waiting to be divined and expressed. It’s always just around the corner.
Now that’s the closest thing to a grand narrative that I’ve been able to accomplish since leaving traditional religiosity, but it possesses just the right amount of translucence and cogency to keep me engaged.
John M: Since intellectual y consistent atheism leads to nihilism, I think believer is the easy answer.
Julio: Nihilism does not lead to unhappiness, who told you that? Nihilism is perhaps the result of much bad fruit religions produce. If religious people produced good fruit everywhere, Nihilism would not exist.
Julio: John M, are you saying that believing in superstitions is actual y healthy for happiness?
Dave R: Julio, that’s an excellent question. Additional y, although theists 352
report greater happiness, if it’s based on superstition, it’s hard to call it healthy. It may have more to do with the greater social connection than the superstition. My dad is retired and has become an atheist. Our church is progressive and not dogmatic. I actual y am encouraging him to church.
He’s been hanging with the congregation since 1966 and probably could attend while being openly atheist. I think he needs the social interaction.
John M: Julio, I was referring to belief in God, which is conducive to happiness. Intellectual y consistent atheism on the other leads to nihilism.
Having a world view oriented towards the good, true, and beautiful allows humans to live a meaningful and happy life.
Julio: Dave R, I agree with that, but what some call happiness might actual y be delusion. A delusional believer could be a happy person up to the point where you challenge their beliefs. In the case of your dad, I am of the opinion that nobody has any right to remove belief from the life of a dependent.
Dave R: Julio. I completely agree. I am not clear on what you are trying to communicate about my dad. To be clear, I am just suggesting he hangs out with his friends of over 50 years. Especial y, since the church isn’t going to give him crap about being a heretic or even an atheist.
Julio: Dave, that’s absolutely right; let your dad be happy with those he is happy with, and he is wiser to see al , and love you.
Alexandros A: John M, atheists are not nihilists. We don’t reject everything, just fake things, like gods. Some atheists just get disconnected when they don’t have other logical people around them. But that has changed; irreligious is the 3rd biggest population on the planet.
John M: Kobus L, did you not read the debate topic?
John M: Alexandros A, I am confident you have no proof that God cannot 353
exist, because it’s not possible. As for your other claim, it’s both bizarre and irrelevant.
Julio: Alexandros A, “I find an extremely profound connection with every other living organism...” I do agree with your position against the fairytales, etc, as I agree a little with what JM said, but disagree with that
“moral” concept of an “extremely profound connection” you referred to.
As a living species, our “connection” with other living species is to utilise them as food to survive this horror existence a little longer. We kill other living forms to eat them to live our egotistic and ephemeral time on this horror, primitive planet. Forgive me for saying so, but I see no romantic existence down here, and life looks to me ugly, with our habitat ready to eliminate us without mercy. In fact, my conclusion after a long life is that I survived because of skil s acquired to kill other living forms to eat them. There is no romance in that struggle. We tend to romanticise and glamorise our existence while it looks rosy, but singing our apparent happiness on this horror planet we want to forget the misery and pain of many other millions of lives around us. It’s not only humans that we kil for small change, but even ants, spiders, hippos, lions and hens, and many to eat without a second thought. In other words, this is indeed what I cal a cosmic horror story we have to escape from sometime later.
Julio: John M, to arrive at the concept of a personal God’s inexistence takes a long time. A student does not quickly conclude the inexistence of a personal God – it takes decades of one’s life to arrive at that conclusion.
I do not accept the existence of a personal God for the reason that it is apparently you and other adversaries that are prepared to fight for your God’s existence. That position is aberrant and absurd for the intelligent student.
John M: Julio, I think the God question is a journey for everyone. Starting with belief as a default position is the norm in most societies, but I suspect regardless of the starting point most people grapple with the question at some point. The fact that you’re here and asking serious questions suggests 354
that at the very least you’re interested in other points of view. I’m not sure I understand your point about fighting for God. I think most Christians feel they would fight for freedom to worship and the basic human rights that are associated with the religious belief that all life has equal value. If your comment is referring to fighting for those principles I would mostly agree. If you think Christians are going to literal y fight to force people to worship God I disagree.
Ben H: John M, the only nihilists I know are Christians not atheists.
John M: Ben H, interesting, since nihilism is general y understood to be a form of extreme skepticism, the rejection of all religious and moral principles, and the belief that life is meaningless. Are you sure you correctly understand their belief? Nihilism and depression are very closely related, and frequently coexist; perhaps you’re confusing depression with nihilism.
Tony C: John M, evidence for your claimed connection between nihilism and atheism?
Tony C: One is overwhelmed by the silence.
John M: Tony C, where are the honest atheists?
Julie D: John M, do you always lie and bear false witness against others as you have just done? Atheism doesn’t lead to thinking life is meaningless.
It leads to rational, critical thought so that life becomes more precious, thereby having more actual meaning than the theist’s delusional pseudo-meaning.
Vanessa S: I’m far happier since leaving Christianity.
Dave R: Vanessa S, I am too. I am glad I chose to have a personal relationship with reality.
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Julio: Dave R, good answer.
Lars A: Dave R, yes, agree with Julio. “Personal relationship with reality.”
Just about the best statement I’ve read.
Dave R: Lars A, thanks.
Dave R: Julio, thanks.
Dave R: Research has shown that atheists score higher on intelligence tests, theists score high on tests measuring happiness. Apparently, ignorance is bliss.
Julio: Can one be happier by believing in religious superstitions?
Dave R: Julio, research suggests yes. Atheists score higher on intelligence tests, theists score higher in research measuring happiness. Are religious people happier, healthier? Our new global study explores this question.
Julio: Dave R, it’s a grey area, for sure. How can one be happier under the threats of religion?
Peterson K: Julio, do you real y assume that the only thing keeping people in religion is the threat of eternal life or death? Do you real y think that they don’t get anything outta it? I mean, look, there have been many attempts at creating utopian societies by people, especial y so in the 19th century. Of all the communities, both religiously based and secular, the religious ones outlived their religious counterparts by big margin. What of the socialist and communist revolutions of the 20th century? The great majority of them were very repressive and willing to visit fire upon dissenters, but they’ve been invariably falling, to the point that just a few remain. While I do think that a big part of it is how is “happiness” being defined, whether as occasional spikes in endorphins or having a sense of general meaning, to assume that they’d be miserable all the time is just misguided.
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Dave R: Julio, I think having everything make sense and being God’s beloved children saved from Hell is a comforting delusion. I found it comforting. I wanted others to be part of “God’s family of love” for years.
Losing my faith and facing reality was painful. Total y worth it, but a personal relationship with reality doesn’t make us the center of all creation and the most important things in the universe. I think religion is truly “an opiate” psychological y.
Lars A: I am a very happy atheist. Never been a theist. So I can not compare.
Laila J: Christians and even many stats show Christians as being happier.
Perhaps those questions were skewed. But this research and other research findings show that many of the least religious countries seem to be happiest. I could say posting about religions is shit posting, because that’s the way I see them and the damage they do to so many all over the world. I guess it’s a matter of having a “big picture” perspective and being willing to look at that and to be able to give a damn about our brothers and sisters in other parts of the world. Other humans are suffering, at the hands of those pushing religions. A control mechanism. But anyway, that’s why most of us are here, to debate those things and discuss them.
Julie D: One would guess the believer is happier as ignorance is bliss.
Considering that and the theists in this group, apparently willful ignorance is orgasmic. Atheists live in reality and take true happiness from that.
Laila J: I don’t think Christianity’s goal is happiness, is it? Except maybe for Jews, only. Does their love for the enemy they are killing (the love they are told to have by their god), make the men/women/children they are killing, happier?
Bob M: I’m an atheist and I’m very happy. What the theists are I have no idea.
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Justin H: That varies from person to person. For some believers, they think they will be reunited with lost family members in a beautiful place with no pain or sadness or they believe they may suffer greatly for eternity. For an atheist, it could be heartbreaking to find out that Jesus isn’t real, or that there’s nothing out there. It’s all about each individual’s perspective.
Cybel J: Depends on the person, but being a theist gives life more reason; but that is just me.
Ken D: Why do people think atheism is some sort of life philosophy? It’s the rejection of claims that have never been proven. That’s al . As far as life philosophies go most heathens observe some form of secular humanism or similar. Get it right, just for once, please.
Kobus L: Ignorance is bliss and their imaginary god serve as sugar pil placebo so probably theists. I also don’t put a lot of stock into trivial, temporary, subjective happiness.
Scott P: Statistics show that Christians live happier and more fulfilled lives.
Carlos B: Happiness is not based on religion.
Steven T: Is that your goal, to find happiness? Sounds hedonistic.
Ron U: We’re all individuals. The theist adds unnecessary guilt to their life.
Oliver T: Don’t see any coordination, but I am happier now as an atheist than when I was a Christian.
Muriuki M: Who is happier, a sober man or a drunkard?
Laila J: Another good one! lol
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Brian M: Depends on what makes you happy. They say ignorance is bliss.
Rich H: “The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality of happiness, and by no means a necessity of life.” - George Bernard Shaw Jason V: I think it’s contingent on their life circumstances and not what they do or do not believe as far as deities are concerned.
Chris P: It makes me happier to know that I am 100% accountable for my choices. And I’m good because I simply choose to be. Not because I’m afraid of some invisible, absent sky wizard!
Dan R: According to multiple demographic studies, secular societies have the happiest citizens.
John M: Dan R, no; countries with more atheists and atheist-run governments are among the most miserable. Most atheist-run governments limit people’s freedom and restrict free speech, so it’s not always easy to measure. China and North Korea are good examples of this. Japan is another example of a secular government with large population of atheists, it rates low on the happiness index and has the world’s highest suicide rate.
Jose M: Believers, especial y Catholics are happier because we have hope in the afterlife of heaven, and when we do suffer, we know the great value in offering up penance for our sins as well as for the conversion of the heathens and atheists. Atheists only have damnation to look forward to yet are too stupid to realize that that’s what’s in store for them unless they wise up.
Michael S: I think this question is far too generalized to be adequately 359
answered. I think that some atheists are happier than some theists and vice versa. I also think that everyone, no matter their position on the existence of a god, has good days and bad days. As for me personal y, I’m much happier as an atheist than when I was a theist, though I did have many happy times while I was a theist.
Eric R: I am an atheist; 9 outta 10 happy for the moment.
Brucewayne O: Julio, I am happier as an Atheist, you may or may not be happier as a theist. It depends on what makes an individual happy.
Happiness cannot prove a god, so why the sil y question?
Matthew K: Who cares who is what; the truth is god is not real.
Julio: John M, to arrive at the concept of the inexistence of a personal God takes a long time to form. A student does not quickly conclude the inexistence of a personal God - it takes decades of one’s life to arrive at that conclusion. I do not accept the existence of a personal God for the reason that it is apparently you and other adversaries that are prepared to fight for your God’s existence. That position is absurd for the intelligent student. In matters of pursuing happiness by being a Christian, look at the equation: a small community made up of Christians should be an example of living to be followed, but it is not so. Psychologists have checked such communities, and all tend to degenerate into emotional abuse. The more closed a religious community is the less a good example to follow. Besides, this bad-fruit-faith-in-Jesus has enough examples of how traumatic it can be in the hands of fanatics. Twenty centuries of attempts to reform the human beast via the Christian Religion failed; and there is no possible recovery. The first churches soon employed threats and curses to try to tame human nature, but nothing can help. We have two natures in us: good and evil, angel and demon, yin and yang; we are saints and beasts at the same time, under the same skin. We are like that, and that is to remain if we want to survive on this primitive planet where species kil and eat species; in the seas, species eat species alive. No way, could a 360
daydreamer like Jesus change our animal behaviour; in fact, Jesus himself was delusional and decided to live a parasitic life at the expense of others.
Many still do the same in our days – and call themselves Bible teachers, reverends or spiritual leaders, the insolent crooks.
Neil S: I’m an atheist. I see religion as the blue pil . I figure most of them are happier.
Julio: Happier is the one who understands what’s going on. Believe me: we are only a digestive system; everything else is just peripheral. The biggest drive in our body is eating. But why are we such victims of this persistently vicious drive? Nobody knows. The idea is to eat to live – but live for what?
What’s the ultimate goal of satiating our aggressive digestive system, if in the end we cannot perpetual y sustain it? I don’t know; if there is an answer, there might have been a purpose – and who or what put this digestive system in motion, and for what rewards?… Crazy universe! Eating food is the number one drive in our life, which is only to perpetuate reproduction, the other crazy push. It’s stupid and ridiculous, real y, utterly stupid, but how can I define stupid?... Take the Universe’s size – nay, take rather the whole Cosmos. We are stuck on this primitive, obscure, exceedingly dangerous and by the Gods forgotten planet. So, eating food to reproduce our wild animal species for what?… Did you know that if you went and sat on the nearest star – Alpha Centaurus – and looked as far as you could see, this dangerous Earth would never be visible? That star is only four light years away, a very small distance on the galactic roads. So, who out there in the immense cosmic distances and sizes would give a damn about our overpopulation’s impending disaster? What on earth for heaven’s sake are we doing here on this obscure and primitive planet, but only to eat and reproduce our species with no objective goal in sight? It’s crazy.
David K: I hate to agree with that, but basical y yeah, what was the selection criteria for a brain like ours while on a reproductory drive on steroids, why have a brain understand shit past it’s basic genetic directive to reproduce...
It’s nuts...
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Julio: Agree; the brain is the problem. Remove it from under the skul and all the problems of existence disappear and all will be at peace. The greatest mystery is enclosed in this great question: why does the brain want to live? The first tiny brain that appeared on Earth had only one impulse that quickly turned into a desire, then a destiny: to survive the next moment. But quickly discovered that it needed to eat other proteins and carbohydrates and potatoes, etc. And also quickly developed eyesight to look for food. The rest is history. It never revealed the reason for that first impulse to survive the hostile environment. There was no reason, just wild nature, not even destiny. The next step for the human brain was to create a moralistic setup to protect its territory from other predators.
War was the inevitable result. And we still have two eyes to look for food, and we still kill other living forms to eat them, and we still war others for the territory where food is. It is a horror story in an extremely primitive outback lost in the immense cosmos, this greatest of mysteries. And final y the brain dies ingloriously, no dignity, no remorse.
Eric E: I think the believers don’t have to think about shit. When godidit is the answer for every thought, questioning life is easy. Why think when godidit works for you?
Elyea R: the 10 happiest countries in the world are among the least religious.
Julio: The worst must be Afghanistan because of radical Islam.
Phillip D: Julio, it is Afghanistan. The second unhappiest country is South Sudan.
Julio: Phillip D, OK, thanks. Where radical Islam infests, society turns the worst, how sad.
Chrys G: Proverbs 17:22 “A merry heart does good, like medicine, but a 362
broken spirit dries the bones.”
Mayo M: Speaking as one atheist, I am very happy knowing that I will not go to Hell.
Julio: Mayo M, you are then a loss for the Pope, lol!
Chrys G: (the general resurrection) 1 Corinthians 15:20 “But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the Firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.” Just sayin’; like advice from a stress management professional, this is good to know.
Nicholas B: Happiness is temporary based on temporary circumstances, Biblical joy & peace only come from knowing Jesus Christ as Savior & Lord as it doesn’t come from circumstances but from the originator & Creator of all life, Jesus Christ.
Roy O: Only depends on the person. I’m an atheist and happy. But you also meet Christians who continue to go on about how Jesus makes them so happy. So with that we have learned that people can be happy about a non-existent-person.
Rased V: I enjoy being a Christian and I respect Atheism but I always get attacked or get in an argument because I’m a Christian.
John S: Neither, life is miserable and short.
Alucardd M: I dunno, but I wished there was a god watching my back, but at the same time I want my choices to be my own.
Jim L: I think that anyone can be happy regardless of their religious beliefs.
There are thousands of things in peoples’ lives that give them pleasure.
Dan R: Not everything is about emotional satisfaction. Some of us actual y 363
value truth, even when the truth might be unpleasant to us.
Daniel R: Being an atheist doesn’t necessarily make me more or less happy.
Roi O: Depends if the happiness is conceptual or realistic.
Anthony M: The drunk man is the happiest.
Julio: Not always, I imagine. Drunkenness is the result of excessive belief, somebody said. Jesus got drunk a few times in the gospels – he himself said so – and check what happened to him!
Jeff H: Well it’s a toss up. 1) Because ignorance is bliss the religious loon would be happy, but for no real reason. They are delusional and happy about their delusions. 2) The atheist being a realist would have genuine emotions that require a strength of character. When then he or she is happy, it’s genuine happiness. When sad, it’s also genuine but painful.
Being authentic isn’t for the weak and squeamish, but it is a lot more fulfilling and rewarding to live in the real world.
Devon L: Depends on the individual. Neither is enough to make a quantifiable difference, except on an individual basis.
Randy S: Each group likely contains happy and unhappy people and a lot of them for reasons where religion plays little or no role.
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50 – What makes Religion the evil enterprise that it is?
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Julio: OK, I know you agree with me on this: Religion has a violent agenda and it’s exactly for that reason it cannot be divine. Can you perceive an intelligent almighty incapable of coming up with a better plan than a violent, bloody one? Fundamentalist Religion is intrinsical y evil – it 364
demands submission to a set of teachings or be damned to some eternity of suffering or worse. I repeat: what makes Religion an evil enterprise to reject is its violent angle. Do you follow a violent, bloody religion? Then you are but a victim of violent superstitions. You can be a normal person without subscribing to violent piety – or a religion where blood is the main ingredient. I repeat: a decent almighty would have found a better way to tell us that we need his help; if that almighty could not, then we offer him no admiration. Look at the Christian message, as an example: firstly, much innocent blood from domestic animals; then the blood of babies, and next that of a man, crucified to appease the God of that violent religion. No, no, no! Surely, when the plan was first conceived to save the few who had digressed from the moral line, a non-violent plan was altogether possible; altogether possible, folks; altogether possible! That means that no, no, no, the violent angle embedded in a fundamentalist religion is but only man-made evil. The other day, a member of a religious forum shouted at me, that if she followed my teaching she would lose her faith. I replied that losing faith in a violent gospel would be an excellent improvement in her life.
Éràstús G: Julio, could it be the Bible was written by primitive men who would rather fight than talk?
Julio: Éràstús G, Yes. The Bible is primarily an immoral story, filled up with violence, bloody, and angry gods. A very bad book in matters of morality.
Andy S: Satanic atheist pedo infiltration.
Julio: Andy S, give us an example.
Andy S: Julio, the Vatican gay sex party from a few years ago. 80 percent of priests in the Vatican are gay: new book.
Ro B: Julio, religion can be good or bad or indifferent or not; it’s just a man made way for giving those in authority divine rule. Look at Iran.
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Julio: Ro B, agree. Give us an example of an evil religion in your district.
Andrew R: Can good be known without bad for a measure?
Pieter J: Ro B, it’s like saying that the Meinkampf is good, bad or indifferent depending on who reads it.
Julio: Pieter J, good answer.
Ro B: Pieter J, let us look at a non-religious country. Pick one. See how they live, and hey get back to me.
Pieter J: Julio, Israel, for the most part, Denmark, and other such countries have a populace that has outgrown Christianity, for the most part. They are first-world. If you want to be something in the world, then you need to live in places like that. Their education isn’t compromised for the sake of religious fiction. Places like Nigeria (2 monotheisms) Sudan (2
monotheisms) and Jerusalem (3 monotheisms) have serious problems. A place like Nazi-Germany, Apartheid South Africa and other such places only existed because of Christianity in the schools. Plus, you have to be social y conditioned or manipulated in order to even accept Christianity.
Even your education is compromised for the sake of religious fiction wherever it is a problem. Religion is a rape-culture. People in non-religious places actual y live first-class lives.
Ro B: Julio, official y North Korea is an atheist state, however according to most recent estimates, some religions do exist. These are the Korean religions of Shamanism and Chondoism, as well as Christianity & Buddhism.
Andrew R: Which religion and define how it is evil? lol. Do you drive a car? Smog and air pol ution kill over 12 million people every year. Eat meat?
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Julio: As far as eating meat, religion has created Veganism, an aggressive disposition ready to legislate criminal the eating of eggs, haha!
Andrew R: Julio what is good here? Define an absolute and universal morality that works equal y wel , for everyone, everywhere?
Julio: Andrew R, it’s an unachievable dream, will never be attained.
Andrew R: Julio, yes, can’t be attained or achieved because it already exists as your core nature. It is up to you to decide if you wish to look at life as a unity or a duality. Can your definition of what evil is stand on its own without needing a measure to be known?
Ken L: Andrew R, the UN Declaration of Human Rights.
Andrew R: Ken L, one race (human), One flag, Gaia, boundaries over borders, all self ruled and all is free.
Julio: Andrew R, utopia, unachievable, never. We are firstly wild beasts, then cruel animals, and only then some few of us decent human beings.
This planet is a lost horror in the universe, alone, impossible to discover or help. No god out there is interested in us, we are doomed.
Andrew R: Julio, that is a belief, I already know it exists. You are just like a Theist, lol, chock full of beliefs that have no supporting evidence.
Julio: Any Religion that kil s people is criminal! OK, let me hasten to rephrase this: any religion that is used by its adherents to kill people is criminal. Or, put differently: if a religion motivates its supporters to go out and kill people to highlight its divine side, such a Religion is criminal. Tel me of one religion that has never killed anybody to promote itself through fear, and I will applaud it. I know one criminal religion where there’s a fable of one of its patriarchs going up a mountain to get ten or fifteen 367
commandments of which one ordered Thou Shalt Not Kill or Murder, but before the patriarch instructed the followers not to kill anybody, he went off in an insane rage and killed three thousand of them, Exodus 32:28.
Empirical proof, if you needed it.
Terah N: Its vague nature makes it malleable to a wide range of messed up causes.
Michael H: It isn’t. At least, not often. Religion is only as good or as evil as people make it. When it’s focused squarely on unconditional love, joy, peace, compassion, inclusion, and freedom of thought and conscience, I can’t see how it can be characterized as “evil”.
Steven W: Michael H, Christianity was an evil religion. Murder, rape and torture during mass conversion. Coming from the UK I know the history of it in my country and what they did to people if they didn’t believe, owned a Bible in English or didn’t go to Church on a Sunday.
Michael H: Steven W, Christianity is a very diverse religion, and includes the very best and very worst of humanity.
Kobus L: Michael H, I kind of agree. Just like science is only as good as the people who use/apply it, the same can be said about religion. However, the dogma in Christianity lends itself to be misused and justify all kinds of atrocities with it. It directly stipulates to kill various groups of people, not only condones incest, but their God’s plan necessitates it, feels forcing unwed women to marry their rapist is a good idea, downgrades women as second class citizens.
Michael H: Kobus L, this is the kind of Christianity to which I’m drawn.
“Progressive Christian: Christianity characterized by willingness to question tradition, acceptance of human diversity, with a strong emphasis on social justice, or care for the poor and the oppressed, and environmental stewardship of the Earth. Progressive Christians have a deep belief in the 368
centrality of the instruction to “love one another” (John 15:17) within the teachings of Jesus Christ. This leads to a focus on compassion, promoting justice and mercy, tolerance, and working towards solving the societal problems of poverty, discrimination, and environmental issues.”
Kobus L: Michael H, I have heard evangelicals say Progressive Christianity is not Christianity and that those following it are not True Christians. By history standards Progressive Christianity would be an oxymoron as it has opposed so many progressive movements. But good on you for being a progressive.
Ro B: Kobus L, Buddhism is misogynist too. Head monk can’t be a woman.
Julio: Michael H, have you got a visible example of a religion with all those attributes you mentioned? “... focused squarely on unconditional love, joy, peace, compassion, inclusion, and freedom of thought and conscience, I can’t see how it can be characterized as ‘evil’.” Give us an example of a religion with those fantastic attributes, if you know of one.
Michael H: Julio, “Progressive Christian: Christianity characterized by willingness to question tradition, acceptance of human diversity, with a strong emphasis on social justice, or care for the poor and the oppressed, and environmental stewardship of the Earth. Progressive Christians have a deep belief in the centrality of the instruction to “love one another”
(John 15:17) within the teachings of Jesus Christ. This leads to a focus on compassion, promoting justice and mercy, tolerance, and working towards solving the societal problems of poverty, discrimination, and environmental issues.”
Julio: Michael H, “Progressive Christianity” is then similar to Atheism and Humanism; the only difference is Jesus infiltrated in the philosophy.
You do not need any religion for you to be a decent person. What you described is after all humanism with a belligerent side, Jesus. I lament to observe that the “teaching of Jesus” is where all the divisions of Christians 369
started. Christianity is a poisonous tree of toxic fruit - with a history of twenty centuries of poison. Nobody needs Christianity or Christ to create a better world. Take the Pope who represents a criminal cult with a history of much crime in the name of the Jewish Christ. You do not need any Pope or any religion of that nature, centered on a belligerent, aggressive, violent Messiah. Twenty centuries of empiric evidence that Jesus was bad news for civilization. Repeating for emphasis: Religion is the root of al evil on Earth, a toxic tree of poisonous fruit. Sixty centuries of it registered in universal history to prove the fact. Remove religion and the moral landscape will improve.
Michael H: Julio, Progressive Christianity is exactly like religious humanism. The Jesus tradition does not detract from this. Zen is another great example. “The Way of Zen Do one thing at a time. Do things slowly
& mindful y. Connect deeply with people & nature. Meditate frequently.
Appreciate silence. Expect nothing. Be grateful for everything. Observe without judgment. Consume less, create more. Let go of fears and desires.
Listen to understand, not to respond. Be patient and generous. Love deeply. Live simply.”
Julio: Michael H, Zen is not a religion. We in a way are all Zen followers when we do charitable acts, or when we look for private, egotistic happiness. However, Zen is an impractical ideology, with excessive expectations, impracticable as it were. Do you personal y know any Zen followers with all those qualities listed? Of course you don’t, I don’t. It is in my opinion cheap moralisms to sell a product. It is an old ideology that never succeeded in creating a peaceful, livable world.
Michael H: Julio, Zen is a Buddhist tradition, so yes, it’s religion. No, the Zen practitioners (as much as the progressive Christians) that I know personal y strive for the qualities listed, but we’re human, and none of us are perfect. Religion when it’s done well gives us ideals worth striving for (and sometimes a means of personal transformation).
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Heliodoro C: The root of the problem with religion, at least with Christianity and Islam, is its foundation: falsehoods, deep rooted foundations of lies.
Aaron R: The humans that carry on the tradition. There was once a woman married with 3 children and she was preparing dinner and she was cutting 5 inches of the leg of lamb. Her husband watched her and asked why do you always cut the 5 inches off the leg? She replies, my grandmother did it.
So he gets on the phone to ask the grandmother why they cut the 5 inches off the leg. The grandmother replied, because our oven was not big enough to fit the whole leg. Two generations cutting off 5 inches for no reason just because they saw it. Time changes everything. Soon the people will realize.
Religion has been watched enough. The time for change is coming soon.
Cheryl A: People. People are the driving force behind all evil.
Julio: Cheryl A, they are. But religion enhances the degree of it in us. For small change we can drop nuclear bombs on our antagonists, lol.
Dan R: The evil men who run it.
Alexandros A: Fundamentalism, adherence to horribly outdated books that conserve patriarchy, teach fears to kids and demonise new discoveries.
Cybel J: Evil doesn’t exist according to atheism; its just a label and opinion.
Evil exists according to God. So if atheists want to call God evil, I will cal nature evil; that’s also according to God.
Julio: According to God?! Who ever heard God say anything? That is exactly why religion is evil: men speaking for some unknown God. The stupid thing is that gods use writing in old dialects to represent their opinions! I hate gods exactly for that offensive position, haha. Yes, the gods of the holy books are evil, belligerent, wrathful, irrational. Hence what I call anthropomorphic beasts with human genes.
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Walter C: Cybel J, it’s just Mother Nature, doing her thing. That is the short answer to all questions. All questions? Yes. If you have a question about religion or philosophy such as : “Why do bad things happen to good people”, the answer is, “It’s just Mother Nature doing her thing”. One of the biggest reasons that we humans kill one another is that we imagine other answers to that question. Why do bad things happen to good people? First, there are no good people or bad people or good stones or bad stones, or good stars or bad stars. Second, there are no bad events or good events, but rather, it’s al , every event, just Mother Nature tossing her toys. In order to accept this idea, this simple truth, we must reject all religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and Atheism presented as just another religion. All religion. The concept of religion is the enemy of the truth, the enemy of the idea that we can someday al , or nearly al , 99%
of us, accept the truth, as simple factual information. And, the proof that there is no God is this: Humankind used to think that gods sent the rain, the hail, the snow, the sun, the moon, the stars. But now we know better: it’s just Mother Nature doing her thing. Therefore, any other questions that come up, the answer is : It’s just Mother Nature doing her thing ... again.
Oh, one more thing: When you ask the question “Why did those people kill those other people?” The answer is: there is no free wil , there is no evil intention, there is no malice, but rather, it’s just mother nature doing her things and we’re the ones who have to adapt and take for granted that it will soon bounce back to its previous healthy state.
Cybel J: If you believe evil real y exists that’s because evil real y does. If you say it’s nature doing her thing, then evil still exists. The problem is that atheists don’t dare to say nature is evil but dare to say God is evil.
Hypocrisy.
Richard T: Greed, like most of men’s worst ideas; all is driven by greed.
David P: They all think they are right in a dying world. There is not a person one can trust.
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Julio: Of course not; religion is not a person. Explain what you mean by “a dying word”.
David P: Julio, meteors, nukes, pol ution, violence, death, sun flares, survival of the fittest etc.
Julio: David P, Ok, if you see it from that angle. From my angle, Life is foreign to this primitive planet, and to be extinct as soon as possible, to return this cosmic rock to its original peace. No life is needed here.
David P: Julio, that will happen. No doubt.
Ro B: David P, the world isn’t dying.
Md M: People. Religions are tools. Tools can be used to help or to kil .
Jovan J: Maybe not evil, but destructive for sure.
Greg B: Bad solutions when good solutions exist.
Christopher Y: The love of money which is the root of all evil. Religion and walking with the Creator are two different things.
Regen T: Christopher Y, religion noun: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especial y a personal God or gods. Nope, still a religion by definition.
Christopher Y: Religion can mean a variety of things that don’t lead to knowing God, but only of him. Walking with God means obviously you know him as your Father.
Julio: Kindly explain what is this “walking-with-the-Creator”.
Christopher Y: God sends his Spirit to live in each and every obedient 373
believer; we’ve been born from above the new birth Jesus spoke about.
Our eyes are now on the things of God in the kingdom. Without the Holy Spirit descending and living in you, you cannot know the deep things of God, you’d be limited to knowing only of him.
Julio: That is the regular jargon on hears from religious parrots they heard from other parrots all pretending to be spiritual while inside being divisive, arrogant, and intolerant. I know those sick parrots. And there is no kingdom, or born from above. This jargon is what creates conflict.
John T: Christopher Y, did Jesus final y come down? So now you are walking with him?
Julio: Haha, it’s the usual bul shit these sick parrots spew out on us, insulting us about not being spiritual and not having the holy ghost, etc.
They are sick, brainwashed, arrogant, and divisive. I trust not one.
Scott W: The evil nature of man, who corrupts everything he touches.
Which, btw, includes atheism.
Laila J: There’s no chance for humanity, for a better world, a better way to live, for improving, for fairness for al , without Atheism. And yes, it would take time, the deprogramming of a religion poisoned society, alone, would take a long time. And I’ll add something a bit off topic, will also be the only thing that will be able to combat, the more evil stepchild of Judaism, Islam. Christians will be the easiest to convert to Islam. Atheism is the only way to combat that ugly machine. It’s the only thing! Might want to give that a thought. Might want to check out “Atheist Republic”, founded by an ex-muslim guy. Or not, lol, it’s up to you. One can only lead a horse to water, as they say. And this is a number’s game. There’s ignorance and there’s stupidity.
Jim B: Christianity is insidious. It teaches you that you are sick and broken so that it can sell you a placebo for an illness you don’t have.
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Julio: Jim, very well put!
Anurag C: Evil is a religious word. No such thing as evil out of religious context. To be honest, only people make and break rules, no other species have ever interfered with human rights and morality, nor ever promised heaven after demise.
Josh W: Dogmatic beliefs that people incorporate into their identity.
Rich L: Primates are inherently selfish animals. Religious narratives create an optimal opportunity to selfishly exploit the easily manipulated.
Josh J: Religion isn’t evil. Religion only becomes evil when intertwined with politics.
Sean M: Greed, bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, ignorance are all in the holy books, which make it endemic within the churches.
Jeff H: There are many religions, but none come near Christianity’s level of absurdity, abuse, and the atrocities committed throughout history.
Ro B: Jeff H, delete Christianity and the religion of peace, Islam can take over.
Phillip T: The Big Five Evils: false flattery, bribery, insults, threats, and harming some to coerce everyone else.
Julio: Religion is evil because those who invest their lives in it are arrogant, intolerant, and immoral, no exceptions. Good night.
The End
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